Custom liquid cooling. project 2023

[Clipper]

Finished assembling.
I'll upload the photos this afternoon.
Problems...
The commander doesn't go over 1300 rpm in icue, the ML120s support up to 2000 rpm.
The 5000X tower.
In the front "enter" 140 mm fans but only 2
In the back a 140 mm fan fits but the drill holes don't match.
The MSI Edge motherboard.
I'm out of USB ports...
The R.l uses one and the commander another (fortunately it comes with a "bridge" and I was able to connect the Corsair F.A Rmi 750 w)
The dual (two) in one are the tower USB connectors.
The other is free

I can't connect the M.B 4 pin cable (the second P.S) because I don't have free connectors on the F.A
I also don't think it's important...

Possible changes:
The M.B supports 6 fans, and I like the BIOS curve configuration better than ICUE so it's more than likely that I'll manage the 3 ML 120s in the front from the BIOS and I'll put the pump connector in its place... Pump connector instead of fan connector as it is now.
Or what would be smarter...
I connect the radiator fans to the M.B thinking about the pull/push system.
Regards
Ordered two more fans model corsair ML 120 mm and a pack of PWM splitters.
I'll take out the ML 120 from the back of the tower (sucking air in) and mount a noctua "tocho" that I had mounted on the Asus triton air cooler.
For the pull/push system I already had the scraps of transparent 10mm acrylic, but... I only have 40mm of height and I don't feel like getting tears in my eyes so I'll use a 5 mm acrylic plus the 25 mm fans and a 10mm lid acrylic.
I hope that next year the mechanic comes and adjusts the laser cutter... if not I'll do it with the CNC and I'll cry my eyes out polishing edges.
As a comment I removed the anti-dust filter from the top radiator, which for unknown reasons is mounted "outside" (on top of the radiator)
Regards 2

[Clipper]

[defaultuser]

Can't you fit the push/pull in the front?

As for the rest (commander and etc) better not comment, you plug everything into the motherboard and test it well. For me it's like you still haven't premiered the aio

[Clipper]

@defaultuser said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

Can't you fit the push/pull in the front?

As for the rest (commander and etc) better not comment, you plug everything into the motherboard and test it well. For me it's like you still haven't premiered the aio

It has the same problem as in the top panel.
Until the splitters arrive, I won't mess with the cables anymore.
Then I'll upload a screenshot of dayZ with everything at full (graphic parameters) and the icue with all the temperature and voltage values.
And the GPU at over 90 degrees
It's clear that you have to play with the GPU curve and lower voltages until I mount the R.L on the GPU.
Best regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper Si, ya ves, la configuracion original de ventiladores de la grafica se ve que esta pensada para no molestar ni que se este achicharrando. (a 90º se pondránlos ventiladores de la grafica a tope o casi no?).

Al ventilador trasero podias darle la vuelta, que eso no hay que cambiar el cable.
Y el aio de la grafica a futuro yo lo pondría delante como sea, y cuando llegue el agua a la grafica su radiador sacando. en cualquier caso yo no pondría el cpu recibiendo el aire de la grafica.

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Luego subo una captura de pantalla de dayZ con todo a full ( parámetros gráficos) y el icue con todos los valores de temperaturas y voltajes.
Y la GPU a más de 90 grados

Todo eso es con voltajes/frecuencias auto?

[Clipper]

@defaultuser I have 7 fans blowing air in and 3 blowing it out (aio)
Distribution 3 front ones blowing in 3 side ones right blowing in one rear blowing in (which is very close to the aio blowing out radiator) so that I can put it blowing out...

The GPU voltages are stock.
I've done several tests with oc with very disparate results.
I'll upload screenshots tomorrow.
Today after the feast I'm not up for it.
Regards

[Clipper]

What I'm looking at are radiators.
Options:
Corsair Hydro X Series, XR5 360 mm
https://www.alternate.es/html/product/1826879?partner=esadwoPLA&gclid=CjwKCAiAhqCdBhB0EiwAH8M_Gk1PNORMFXMPZZa4EoClGeXIlan5TxEbz2GNnAa7BqhALKP6eGInSRoCNJwQAvD_BwE
https://www.pccomponentes.com/ekwb-ek-coolstream-classic-pe-360-triple?utm_source=176013&utm_medium=afi&utm_campaign=es.redbrain.shop&awc=20981_1671989877_2fbfab03d043db66fcb21e7f199c1329&utm_term=deeplink&utm_content=es.redbrain.shop
Options,
Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper you already have 6 blowers blowing, more than enough. The rear should push out some of the heat from the graphics card, why another blower? This way you only trap all the heat from the VGA towards the AIO.

Having 6 blowers doesn't compensate for the fact that the AIO is sucking in the 200 watts of hot air from the graphics card, and having the rear blower hurts you more than it helps.

I was asking about the OC because of the high temperatures. It's almost better not to overclock anything for now until you have more "normal" temperatures (it won't hurt you).

[defaultuser]

@clipper I haven't tried any of that type, but I can tell you that within the same as they all are, the alphacool looked good, the grille is better, and it has extra ports.

[jordiqui]

I see an rgb hub hanging at the back. Does it stay like that? In any case, I think everything is very clean, too bad there are no big tower cases at affordable prices like a few years ago. Well, I see that they are at 250 euros, even more. The lights and such, I understand that it is merely aesthetic, but that means more extra expense, watts, etc. For example the obsidian that I always used, the 7000 I think is the biggest and the materials are excellent. But I insist that I think it's a clean installation, although I don't understand the rgb hub thing very well...

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

I see an RGB hub hanging at the back

It looks like the photos are from different times, the last one I think is from the end.

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

It's a shame that there aren't big tower cases at affordable prices like a few years ago. I see that they are at 250 euros, even more.

If true.
It seems that compacts have more appeal among the public, and then the big ones are either workstation or enthusiast, and they think that only people who are going to spend 3000€ on a regular PC look at them.
Even the new brands want to sell mules disguised as unicorns, that is, a sheet metal cube for more than 200€, and that's all they basically do the same thing with slight differences but with the same drawbacks.

Look, Raijintek for example has some a bit different, with extra space at the bottom for a radiator, but that's it and they are just as expensive.

The 7000no, better yet the 1000 no or what?

If it's for generic radiators of 360 or 480 here you can fit them for sure.

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

I see an RGB hub hanging at the back

It looks like the photos are from different moments, the last one I think is from the end.

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

Too bad there aren't big tower cases at affordable prices like a few years ago. I see they are at 250 euros, even more.

If true.
It seems that compacts have more market appeal, and then the big ones are either workstations or enthusiast, and they think that only people who are going to spend 3000€ on a regular PC look at them.
Even the new brands want to sell mules disguised as unicorns, that is, a sheet metal cube for more than 200€, and that's all doing basically the same thing with slight differences but with the same drawbacks.

Look, Raijintek for example has some a bit different, with extra space at the bottom for a radiator, but that's it and they are just as expensive.

The 7000no, better yet the 1000 no or what?

If it's for generic radiators of 360 or 480 here you can fit them for sure.

Yes, I think I've commented on the 7000. By the way, I made a composition of a PC with the latest Ryzen 7950x, motherboard, tower, etc. and it didn't reach 2000 euros. With a mid-tower, of course. An SSD 512 Gb and 32 gb ram, without a graphics card. But it was a real beast. And yes, not only 3000, they also don't turn red and are selling 11th gen full configurations for 5000 euros.... But they put a graphics card of those that make you want to sell the house and a case that looks like anything but a case. I think I'm getting old.

[defaultuser]

If Jordiqui the acronym "Gaming" is being used to accompany microelectronics with a bunch of jokes in order to increase prices and make money.
Fortunately, there isn't as much space in laptops to put in junk

Well, they've even come out with a video game about modding putting together PC parts, almost nothing.
I don't think it comes with a Dremel, it'll probably be more like a simulator for choosing house curtain colors.

[Clipper]

@jordiqui.
The hub that is diagonally is the corsair comander, some screws from the old hubs that I haven't removed are annoying.
About the towers...
They put four lights and that's it, gaming tower, the cooling is a chestnut... It's the same, it has little lights and that's what matters.
My tower in particular, which is the one I can talk about, is not cheap... It's well finished, but it's very scarce for certain configurations, to mount a pull/push you have to do DIY.
Mounting two radiators is a work of engineering.
About the obsidian... It costs 500€ and I don't think it's worth it, it doesn't contribute anything and it doesn't have many configuration options.
The termaltake p80 costs half and gives more play, I don't know how it's finished.
In my case, after the holidays I will talk to the blacksmith and get prices, I don't think it will go over 150 € the structure with the panels for the M.B and other cut with laser.
And also 100% modular with option to expand.
Which basically will have the option to mount : 4 lower fans of 140mm with option to mount R.L pull push.
4 upper fans idem to the lower one.
4 front fans, idem to the previous ones.
4 side fans (right side) idem to the previous.
Two rear fans of 140
Power supply side.

All the fan mounts would be with aluminum profile and support for 140/120 mm fans
The configuration would be : lower radiator for GPU.
Front radiator for CPU side fans and upper pulling air out.

[defaultuser]

@clipper If you built the tower yourself, and on top of that modular, you would no longer need to have, let's say, push/pull on the tower fans. In the generic ones there are grilles everywhere and little surface area in the back anyway, but if the tower didn't have those restrictions, you wouldn't need fans in the intake and exhaust either.

You can also achieve the same thing with fewer radiators once the tower deviates from the standard, which will cost you less money.

[jordiqui]

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui.
The hub that is diagonal is the corsair commander, some screws from the old hubs that I haven't removed are annoying.
About the towers...
They put four lights and that's it, gaming tower, the cooling is a chestnut... It's the same, it has little lights and that's what matters.
My tower in particular, which is the one I can talk about, is not cheap... It's well finished, but it's very scarce for certain configurations, to mount a pull/push you have to do DIY.
Mounting two radiators is a work of engineering.
About the obsidian... It costs 500€ and I don't think it's worth it, it doesn't contribute anything and it doesn't have many configuration options either.
The termaltake p80 costs half and gives more options, I don't know how it's finished.
In my case, after the holidays I will talk to the blacksmith and get prices, I don't think it will go over 150 € for the structure with the panels for the M.B and others cut with laser.
And also 100% modular with option to expand.
Which basically will have the option to mount : 4 lower 140mm fans with option to mount R.L pull push.
4 upper fans idem to the lower one.
4 front fans, idem to the previous ones.
4 side fans (right side) idem to the previous.
Two rear 140mm fans
Side power supply.

All the fan mounts would be with aluminum profile and support for 140/120 mm fans
The configuration would be : lower radiator for GPU.
Front radiator for CPU side fans and upper fans blowing air out.

Clipper the one I saw cost 285 euros, obsidian 500, of course the one you mention I see that it's the 1000 and although it's spectacular, surely you who are more up to date, there will be other options the same size and component that is 1000 you're right the price is ridiculous. Mind you, if I had it, I would buy it, I know people who buy threadripper to play chess, just for that, and already on the processor they spend a fortune.

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui Imagine you are about to order your pc for the next few years, and since we are in holidays a relative gives you 500€ to add to the budget!! What graphics can you choose now with 500 more? Mamma Mia jjjj

But wait, if the relative gives me enough to build a workstation of the latest generation with 128 ram, supercustom rl and all monstrous, then I won't buy the obsidian either, no matter how much budget I have and no matter how much I'm going to spend in the end, I still think there are better uses for that money.

I would have to grow money behind my ears and lack life to be able to spend it.

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui Imagine you're about to order your PC for the next few years, and since it's the holidays, a relative gives you €500 to add to the budget! What graphics card can you choose now with an extra €500? Mamma Mia jjjj

But wait, if the relative gives me enough to build a state-of-the-art workstation with 128GB of RAM, super-custom RL, and all the bells and whistles, I'm not going to buy the Obsidian either. No matter how much budget I have or how much I'm going to spend in the end, I still think there are better uses for that money.

I'd have to grow money behind my ears and lose part of my life to be able to spend it.

Don't get me wrong, we're all just dreaming. I mentioned the Obsidian because I've always thought it had excellent finishes and was very effective at distributing components. Look, now that I've gotten into servers, I just saw a Gen 9 for €4,000 with two CPUs of 16 cores each with 32GB of DDR4 (that's really weak because they work in quad channel) and a 1TB SATA + 3 SAS. Add a decent graphics card and you've got a rocket. Comparing apples to oranges with what's out now, but these are from Q1 2016 and the difference between these and the ones I have is abysmal. The cache, L3, etc. I understand that people can do what they want with their money when it comes to workstations, but in the specific case of chess, Threadripper, etc., is just throwing money away. In the end, the Three Kings will bring me coal, as usual.

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui Man, the last thing in pro platform seems to me that only professionals of quite a level (extreme engineering) and some capricious person who wants to put their feet even further than what a top pc gives use it

For everything else that requires a lot of density (let's call it that) there is indeed a lot of valid offer, and the one who wants to get into that and still has less budget has the Chinese boards.

As an anecdote, years ago at a fair, I went with a coworker to visit the stand of a friend's company, they were showing something like Catia, their big projector showing a cool 3D project, but the colleague said that they had brought a computer leg to the most important site (he was the expert in cad/cam and easily got the open project to lag)..
Then talking it turns out that those computers then cost such fortunes, that the bosses trembled just thinking about taking one of the good ones out of their headquarters

[Clipper]

@defaultuser
@jordiqui
In towers everything depends on the use and what you want to "put" inside.
I went from a cheap tower to a ncxt( I think it was ) very "cool" with a lot of acrylic ( which scratches just by looking at it etc )
From that to a very old and very modded tower ideal for air cooling ( without radiators) from there to the corsair 5000.
If I went back X time ago I wouldn't buy the 5000, I would buy the 7000 because I think the price difference is worth it.
That yes... Only to assemble it with a bare aio.
For a custom RL neither of the two is an option.
The termaltake p80 is better thought out, although personally it has flaws, to be exact the option to rotate the PCI rack is very good, but it's very poorly made.
I'll be a restless ass... And if I see something in temperatures that I don't like I look for solutions.
Clear example the pull/push in my aio but I don't see it as normal that in a tower that costs over 200€ I have to make up stuff.
The termaltake in theory allows more configurations than the corsairs and costs the same as a 5000 series and is equivalent to an obsidian.
What are they selling us? I'm not very clear.
In my case I went from air cooling to an aio. And from that to a GPU that I can't cool and I'll use a custom RL and coincidentally in my tower "all cool" it doesn't fit.
You'll see the solutions around here.
Regards