Custom liquid cooling. project 2023

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

I see an RGB hub hanging at the back

It looks like the photos are from different moments, the last one I think is from the end.

@jordiqui said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

Too bad there aren't big tower cases at affordable prices like a few years ago. I see they are at 250 euros, even more.

If true.
It seems that compacts have more market appeal, and then the big ones are either workstations or enthusiast, and they think that only people who are going to spend 3000€ on a regular PC look at them.
Even the new brands want to sell mules disguised as unicorns, that is, a sheet metal cube for more than 200€, and that's all doing basically the same thing with slight differences but with the same drawbacks.

Look, Raijintek for example has some a bit different, with extra space at the bottom for a radiator, but that's it and they are just as expensive.

The 7000no, better yet the 1000 no or what?

If it's for generic radiators of 360 or 480 here you can fit them for sure.

Yes, I think I've commented on the 7000. By the way, I made a composition of a PC with the latest Ryzen 7950x, motherboard, tower, etc. and it didn't reach 2000 euros. With a mid-tower, of course. An SSD 512 Gb and 32 gb ram, without a graphics card. But it was a real beast. And yes, not only 3000, they also don't turn red and are selling 11th gen full configurations for 5000 euros.... But they put a graphics card of those that make you want to sell the house and a case that looks like anything but a case. I think I'm getting old.

[defaultuser]

If Jordiqui the acronym "Gaming" is being used to accompany microelectronics with a bunch of jokes in order to increase prices and make money.
Fortunately, there isn't as much space in laptops to put in junk

Well, they've even come out with a video game about modding putting together PC parts, almost nothing.
I don't think it comes with a Dremel, it'll probably be more like a simulator for choosing house curtain colors.

[Clipper]

@jordiqui.
The hub that is diagonally is the corsair comander, some screws from the old hubs that I haven't removed are annoying.
About the towers...
They put four lights and that's it, gaming tower, the cooling is a chestnut... It's the same, it has little lights and that's what matters.
My tower in particular, which is the one I can talk about, is not cheap... It's well finished, but it's very scarce for certain configurations, to mount a pull/push you have to do DIY.
Mounting two radiators is a work of engineering.
About the obsidian... It costs 500€ and I don't think it's worth it, it doesn't contribute anything and it doesn't have many configuration options.
The termaltake p80 costs half and gives more play, I don't know how it's finished.
In my case, after the holidays I will talk to the blacksmith and get prices, I don't think it will go over 150 € the structure with the panels for the M.B and other cut with laser.
And also 100% modular with option to expand.
Which basically will have the option to mount : 4 lower fans of 140mm with option to mount R.L pull push.
4 upper fans idem to the lower one.
4 front fans, idem to the previous ones.
4 side fans (right side) idem to the previous.
Two rear fans of 140
Power supply side.

All the fan mounts would be with aluminum profile and support for 140/120 mm fans
The configuration would be : lower radiator for GPU.
Front radiator for CPU side fans and upper pulling air out.

[defaultuser]

@clipper If you built the tower yourself, and on top of that modular, you would no longer need to have, let's say, push/pull on the tower fans. In the generic ones there are grilles everywhere and little surface area in the back anyway, but if the tower didn't have those restrictions, you wouldn't need fans in the intake and exhaust either.

You can also achieve the same thing with fewer radiators once the tower deviates from the standard, which will cost you less money.

[jordiqui]

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui.
The hub that is diagonal is the corsair commander, some screws from the old hubs that I haven't removed are annoying.
About the towers...
They put four lights and that's it, gaming tower, the cooling is a chestnut... It's the same, it has little lights and that's what matters.
My tower in particular, which is the one I can talk about, is not cheap... It's well finished, but it's very scarce for certain configurations, to mount a pull/push you have to do DIY.
Mounting two radiators is a work of engineering.
About the obsidian... It costs 500€ and I don't think it's worth it, it doesn't contribute anything and it doesn't have many configuration options either.
The termaltake p80 costs half and gives more options, I don't know how it's finished.
In my case, after the holidays I will talk to the blacksmith and get prices, I don't think it will go over 150 € for the structure with the panels for the M.B and others cut with laser.
And also 100% modular with option to expand.
Which basically will have the option to mount : 4 lower 140mm fans with option to mount R.L pull push.
4 upper fans idem to the lower one.
4 front fans, idem to the previous ones.
4 side fans (right side) idem to the previous.
Two rear 140mm fans
Side power supply.

All the fan mounts would be with aluminum profile and support for 140/120 mm fans
The configuration would be : lower radiator for GPU.
Front radiator for CPU side fans and upper fans blowing air out.

Clipper the one I saw cost 285 euros, obsidian 500, of course the one you mention I see that it's the 1000 and although it's spectacular, surely you who are more up to date, there will be other options the same size and component that is 1000 you're right the price is ridiculous. Mind you, if I had it, I would buy it, I know people who buy threadripper to play chess, just for that, and already on the processor they spend a fortune.

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui Imagine you are about to order your pc for the next few years, and since we are in holidays a relative gives you 500€ to add to the budget!! What graphics can you choose now with 500 more? Mamma Mia jjjj

But wait, if the relative gives me enough to build a workstation of the latest generation with 128 ram, supercustom rl and all monstrous, then I won't buy the obsidian either, no matter how much budget I have and no matter how much I'm going to spend in the end, I still think there are better uses for that money.

I would have to grow money behind my ears and lack life to be able to spend it.

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@jordiqui Imagine you're about to order your PC for the next few years, and since it's the holidays, a relative gives you €500 to add to the budget! What graphics card can you choose now with an extra €500? Mamma Mia jjjj

But wait, if the relative gives me enough to build a state-of-the-art workstation with 128GB of RAM, super-custom RL, and all the bells and whistles, I'm not going to buy the Obsidian either. No matter how much budget I have or how much I'm going to spend in the end, I still think there are better uses for that money.

I'd have to grow money behind my ears and lose part of my life to be able to spend it.

Don't get me wrong, we're all just dreaming. I mentioned the Obsidian because I've always thought it had excellent finishes and was very effective at distributing components. Look, now that I've gotten into servers, I just saw a Gen 9 for €4,000 with two CPUs of 16 cores each with 32GB of DDR4 (that's really weak because they work in quad channel) and a 1TB SATA + 3 SAS. Add a decent graphics card and you've got a rocket. Comparing apples to oranges with what's out now, but these are from Q1 2016 and the difference between these and the ones I have is abysmal. The cache, L3, etc. I understand that people can do what they want with their money when it comes to workstations, but in the specific case of chess, Threadripper, etc., is just throwing money away. In the end, the Three Kings will bring me coal, as usual.

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui Man, the last thing in pro platform seems to me that only professionals of quite a level (extreme engineering) and some capricious person who wants to put their feet even further than what a top pc gives use it

For everything else that requires a lot of density (let's call it that) there is indeed a lot of valid offer, and the one who wants to get into that and still has less budget has the Chinese boards.

As an anecdote, years ago at a fair, I went with a coworker to visit the stand of a friend's company, they were showing something like Catia, their big projector showing a cool 3D project, but the colleague said that they had brought a computer leg to the most important site (he was the expert in cad/cam and easily got the open project to lag)..
Then talking it turns out that those computers then cost such fortunes, that the bosses trembled just thinking about taking one of the good ones out of their headquarters

[Clipper]

@defaultuser
@jordiqui
In towers everything depends on the use and what you want to "put" inside.
I went from a cheap tower to a ncxt( I think it was ) very "cool" with a lot of acrylic ( which scratches just by looking at it etc )
From that to a very old and very modded tower ideal for air cooling ( without radiators) from there to the corsair 5000.
If I went back X time ago I wouldn't buy the 5000, I would buy the 7000 because I think the price difference is worth it.
That yes... Only to assemble it with a bare aio.
For a custom RL neither of the two is an option.
The termaltake p80 is better thought out, although personally it has flaws, to be exact the option to rotate the PCI rack is very good, but it's very poorly made.
I'll be a restless ass... And if I see something in temperatures that I don't like I look for solutions.
Clear example the pull/push in my aio but I don't see it as normal that in a tower that costs over 200€ I have to make up stuff.
The termaltake in theory allows more configurations than the corsairs and costs the same as a 5000 series and is equivalent to an obsidian.
What are they selling us? I'm not very clear.
In my case I went from air cooling to an aio. And from that to a GPU that I can't cool and I'll use a custom RL and coincidentally in my tower "all cool" it doesn't fit.
You'll see the solutions around here.
Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. project 2023:

And from that to a GPU that I can't cool and I'll use custom R.L

I already told you. To get by, I removed the toys it comes with and put 2 of 12.

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. project 2023:

You'll see the solutions around here.

Óle ahí

[Clipper]

Well I have already received the fans I was missing..
The fan splitters and the fans I was missing, due to a mistake of mine (or not) I have ended up with 2 ml 120 and two ml of 140
In total, to assemble I have 3 ml120 and two ml of 140.
In total I have available 9 ML 120 fans, two ML 140 and a noctua 120 of 3000 rpm.
Plus three icue of 120 of "low performance" 1300 rpm
Currently I have 3 ML of 120 in the AIO blowing air
Three ML of 120 in the front blowing air
Three icue in the right side blowing air
A noctua in the back blowing air.
With a little tuning I can put the pull push in the aio with 6 ML 120 fans
I understand that the closer the fan is to the radiator (blowing air out) the better the performance, right?
In the front I think that by making a support I can mount two ML of 140 and one ML of 120.
Or I could tune the aio and put 3 Ml of 140 but to make the adapter the fans would be separated from the radiator by about 3cm
Anyway this will be something temporary.
I will start managing the custom tower next week, if the numbers add up...
I am happy with my current tower.

Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

I understand that the smaller the distance between the fan and the radiator (sucking out air) the greater the performance, right?

No, it doesn't matter.
What does matter is if all the air that the fan sucks in passes through the radiator, or if on the contrary it sucks in some air through some other part that isn't through the radiator.

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

Currently I have 3 ML of 120 in the AIO blowing air
Three ML of 120 in the front blowing air
Three icue in the right side blowing air
A noctua in the back blowing air.

Hey, and where does it come out?

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

Or I could tweak the AIO and put 3 ML of 140 but to make the adapter fit the fans would be separated from the radiator by about 3cm

The adapter can be however you want as long as it doesn't have leaks. If it were to have the same spaces as usual then the distance would naturally matter, but the space between fan and radiator that the "standard" material comes with is a mess, it's not a reference design.

You also don't need 3cm, between 1 and 1.5 could be enough for that specific case.

[Clipper]

@defaultuser
The 3 cm is because if it were just a fan, I could machine a piece 1 cm thick at 45 degrees and go from a circle of 120 to 140 (which is 1 cm on each side) but since there are three fans, we go from 360 to 420, which is 6 cm more, which is 3 cm on each side of the cut, talking about a rectangle of 420 by 140 that has to be reduced to 360 by 120
Regards and happy New Year
Edit:
As the radiator is by measurements, it is technically impossible to mount three 140 fans.
So it stays like this.
In the mod tower, I already have the modular concept clear.
Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper said in Custom liquid cooling. 2023 project:

@defaultuser
The 3 cm is because if it were just one fan, I could machine a piece 1 cm thick at 45 degrees and go from a circle of 120 to 140 (which is 1 cm on each side) but since there are three fans, we go from 360 to 420, which is 6 cm more, which is 3 cm on each side of the cut, talking about a rectangle of 420 by 140 that needs to be reduced to 360 by 120

Sure, if it were just one 12 for one of 14 I would say around 0.5cm, but it looks like we are not following the same design.

That on the side where there are no hoses, on the side of the hoses depends on more aspects of course.

Salu2.

[Clipper]

@defaultuser @defaultuser at 45 degrees to go from 120 to 140 you need a minimum height of 1cm, you can do it another way... But I don't have the tools to do it.
Anyway I've pulled myself together and I'm setting up RAID 0 with three mN2 64 bits, with the W11 pro
I'll upload screenshots soon.
Regards