AMD Athlon x2 4000+ Overclock

Hugtranz

Hello everyone, I would like to do a nice overclock on the PC in the storage room, I already tried raising it to 2.6GHz, I tried to raise it more but at the new start it indicates that there was an error with the "Overclock", DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2575 MHz (10.5 x 245), from 245 the PC restarts, I see quite well raising this old processor from 2.1 to 2.6 but I have seen that it can be raised to 2.8 with good ventilation, in fact I have a good heatsink with a 12cm fan for it, at idle it stays at 39 with this OC and doing a benchmark it does not go above 61 degrees, so I think that restart is not due to temperature or much less, my little experience makes me think that it could be due to the memory.

The installed memory is:

DIMM1: Kingston (2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM)
Module name Kingston
Serial number 761B614Fh (1331764086)
Manufacturing date Week 10 / 2011
Module size 2 GB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module type Unbuffered DIMM
Memory type DDR2 SDRAM
Memory speed DDR2-800 (400 MHz)
Module bus width 64 bit
Module voltage SSTL 1.8
Error detection method None
Refresh rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory timings:
@ 400 MHz 6-6-6-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 24-51-3-6-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 333 MHz 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 20-43-3-5-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 266 MHz 4-4-4-12 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 16-34-2-4-2-2 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)

Memory module characteristics:
Analysis Probe Not present
FET Switch External Disabled
Weak Driver Supported

DIMM3: Kingston
Memory module properties:
Module name Kingston
Serial number 3721F93Bh (1006182711)
Manufacturing date Week 21 / 2011
Module size 2 GB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module type Unbuffered DIMM
Memory type DDR2 SDRAM
Memory speed DDR2-800 (400 MHz)
Module bus width 64 bit
Module voltage SSTL 1.8
Error detection method None
Refresh rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory timings:
@ 400 MHz 5-5-5-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 23-51-3-6-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 266 MHz 4-4-4-12 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 16-34-2-4-2-2 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 200 MHz 3-3-3-9 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 12-26-2-3-2-2 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)

Memory module characteristics:
Analysis Probe Not present
FET Switch External Disabled
Weak Driver Supported

I think the characteristics are correct, the motherboard at most admits 800MHz in the memos.

Here I leave the current information of the processor:

CPU type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2575 MHz (10.5 x 245)
CPU alias Brisbane
CPU scaling BH-G1
Instruction set x86, x86-64, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Original clock speed 2100 MHz
CPU multiplier Min / Max 4.0x / 10.5x
Engineering sample No
L1 code cache 64 KB per core (Parity)
L1 data cache 64 KB per core (ECC)
L2 cache 512 KB per core (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

Multi CPU:
Motherboard identification TEMPLATE
CPU #1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, 2574 MHz
CPU #2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, 2574 MHz

Physical CPU information:
Component shape 940 Pin uOPGA
Component size 4.00 cm x 4.00 cm
Transistors 154 million
Technology used 10Mi, 65 nm, CMOS, Cu, DSL SOI
Internal size 126 mm2
Core voltage 1.100 - 1.300 V
I/O voltage 1.2 V + 2.5 V
Maximum power 65 - 76 W

I can imagine that the problem comes from the configuration of the memory parameters, I noted some that can be modified in my bios:

Memclock Value: 800MHz
Cas latency: Auto
TRCD: Auto
TRP: Auto
TRAS: Auto
ComandTimingMode: Auto
BackInterlaving: Enabled
EnableClock to all Dimms: Enabled
MemClk Tristate C3/ATLVID: Disabled
DQS Signal Training Control: Enabled
Memory Hole Remapping: Enabled

I think there is more if I'm not mistaken, of course the power supply is a TooQ EP-700SP (700W), but I think it comes from that configuration, I hope someone can help me with this little problem, thank you very much in advance and greetings to everyone!

amd125

I had an AMD 3800x2 and I can tell you that overclocking it from 2400 was already difficult with some Kingston Value Edition… and I had to push the voltage, so I always left it at 2400

Hugtranz

@amd125:

I had an AMD 3800x2 and I can tell you that going over 2400 was already difficult with some Kingston Value Edition… and I had to push the voltage, so I always left it at 2400

Thanks for your response, I have tried to modify the voltages of the memory, and the processor but I still do not know if it is correct since the error when starting the system about the overclock failure keeps insisting, it will be about the voltage or memory timings, see if someone can help me with the issue, thank you very much and goodbye.

defaultuser

@Hugtranz:

Hello everyone, I would like to do a nice overclock on the PC in the storage room, I already tried raising it to 2.6GHz, I tried to raise it more but when I restart it tells me that there was an error with the "Overclock", DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2575 MHz (10.5 x 245), from 245 the PC restarts, I see quite well raising this old processor from 2.1 to 2.6 but I have seen that it can be raised to 2.8 with good ventilation, in fact I have a good heatsink with a 12cm fan for it, at idle it stays at 39 with this OC and doing benchmark it does not go above 61 degrees, so I think that restart is not due to temperature or anything like that, my little experience makes me think that it could be the memory. …...."

Where do you deduce that temp is good?, look here: amd compare A64 X2 4000+ 2100Mhz
Not all micros have the same thermal threshold, better to check it and be sure.

As for the oc, it is vital that you provide the necessary info, the most basic would be the motherboard, and screenshots of cpuz in all its tabs, with the oc of 2574Mhz set.
If you fill out your signature with the hardware of your equipment instead of just putting the motherboard almost better.

Salu2.

Hugtranz

@defaultuser:

¿De donde deduces que esa temp es buena?, mira aqui: amd compare A64 X2 4000+ 2100Mhz
No todos los micros tienen el mismo humbral termico, mejor mirarselo y estar seguro.

Encuanto al oc, es vital que aportes la info necesaria, la mas basica seria la placa base, y capturas de pantallas del cpuz en todas sus pestañas, teniendo puesto el oc de 2574Mhz.
Si rellenas tu firma con el hardware de tu equipo en vez de poner solo la placa base casi que mejor.

Salu2.

Gracias por tu respuesta, me refiero a que está mas bien frio que caliente el procesador, aunque ambos extremos de temperatura sean perjudiciales en este caso, aun asi creo que es buena temperatura.

Aqui tienes las capturas del CPUID.

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Edit: Puse los links por no llenar, espero que no sea molestia.

Muchas gracias por tu atención, un saludo.

defaultuser

I get the impression that you haven't done the mandatory reading of overclocking guides before asking questions... I don't know if I'm wrong.
So, now starting from that configuration that appears in the cpuz, what values do you touch to try to get a little more overclocking?
Depending on what you tell me, I'll see where things are at, before I start messing around.

jordiqui

I apologize in advance for any spelling mistakes. Regarding the thread in question, the user has provided information. I have just started wearing glasses for close-up vision and I almost went blind looking at the mobile screen.

defaultuser

@jordiqui:

I apologize in advance for any spelling mistakes. Regarding the thread in question, the user has provided information. I have tried out glasses for close-up vision and I almost went blind looking at the mobile screen.

If the thing is that if Hugtranz is raising the HT and the ram along with the base clock out of ignorance, it is better to read one or another OC guide for A64 to "warm up".

By the way, do you have the mobile as your main device now? :rollani:

Regards.

jordiqui

touché. Yes, unfortunately, with what it costs me the higher degree of the noses I can't afford it while I don't have a desktop. For work, I use my girlfriend's laptop. Now I'm busy with Android and developing applications for mobile devices. Actually Java and four more things. I'm craving to have a PC. That's why I don't dare to publish much because from the smartphone I would jump over all the rules of grammar. Xd

Hugtranz

Thanks for your reply again friend, I am not an expert in overclocking, I just rely on my experience and in fact I don't think I need any OC guide for A64.

Edit: I will continue to test, if I find a solution I will be happy to share it.

defaultuser

@defaultuser:

If the thing is that if Hugtranz is raising the HT and the ram along with the base clock out of ignorance …"

Man I think I've made it pretty clear already.

@Hugtranz:

Thanks for your reply again friend, I'm not an overclocking expert, I just rely on my experience and in fact I don't think I need any A64 OC guide.

Edit: I will keep testing, if I find a solution I'll be happy to share it.

No one questions your experience man, everyone here has a lot of experience.
The point is, if you're raising the cpu, and the ram, and the HT link at the same time, how do you know which one is limiting you?, it doesn't matter that you also want to push the ram and the HT, you will always have to test each thing separately first.

And then there are more steps…..

Hugtranz

@defaultuser:

I get the impression that you haven't done the mandatory reading of overclocking guides before asking questions... I don't know if I'm wrong.

So, now starting from that configuration that appears in the cpuz, which values do you touch to try to get a little more overclocking?
Depending on what you tell me, I'll see where things are at, before I start messing around.

The value I increased is the CPU FSB's, simply, without touching voltages.

defaultuser

Yes, FSB and base clock refer to the same thing.
The previous answers have the clarifications.

Regards.

Hugtranz

@defaultuser:

Si, FSB y reloj base hablamos de lo mismo.
En las respuestas anteriores tienes las aclaraciones.

Salu2.

De todas maneras, gracias.

Hugtranz

Well I finally managed to overclock the processor to 2.8 with the memory at 800MHz at 5.5.5.15, configuring the memory rates and increasing voltages, the good thing is that the HTL didn't go up and stayed at 1080, the voltages didn't change drastically, and when I ran tests with Prime95 there were no failures. I'll leave the CPUID screenshot.

Edit: To be more sure I continued running tests and there were no problems. It goes without saying that it supports good overclocking with decent cooling and ventilation, going from an A64 4000+ to @ 5200+ doesn't seem bad to me, greetings to everyone.

defaultuser

@Hugtranz:

The value that increased is simply the CPU FSB, without touching voltages.

Let's see, the problem you have is simply that you are increasing the HT and RAM along with the micro.

You need to go to the bios and set a lower multiplier for the HT and a lower divider for the RAM (or set it to 667Mhz which is the same, depending on what appears in your bios). Then, when you have done this, you will only be increasing the micro, and you can check if it can still increase something more before starting to ask for more voltage.

Because right now, as you have it, you don't know if what can't handle it anymore is the HT, or if it's the RAM, or if it's the micro.
Since you have increased the FSB (hereinafter to be rigorous and avoid confusion, the base clock or Bclk) and nothing more, that is, you didn't lower the HT and RAM before, it happens that you have:

the HT Link (HT= Hyper Transport) at 1226Mhz

And the RAM at 858Mhz (429x2)

The theory:
What your bios calls "FSB", and that cpuz calls "Bus Speed" and I call "Bclk" is all the same (to avoid confusion).

The HT frequency starts from this Bclk, multiplying it by 5 (HT= FSB (200) x5 = 1000Mhz.

And the RAM frequency is produced by taking as a base the final frequency of the micro and applying a divider, which in the end, the speed of the ram also indirectly depends on the base clock.
In your case it would be 2100Mhz between 5.25 = 400Mhz.

Well, I see that you have already lowered everything except the micro, it's not bad for that micro.
What I'm not clear about is what you mean by "... the good thing is that the HTL didn't go up, it stayed at 1080...", Man, it went down to 1080 because either you lowered its multiplier from 5x to 4x, or because you touched something that takes care of doing it automatically.

To continue increasing the micro right now, you would have to lower the HT and RAM again, of course, but you might already be starting to ask for more voltage, and from the temps you had at 2.6, I don't think you have much temperature margin.

Salu2.

PD:
It's not bad for that micro (Brisbane) a 35% overclock with normal voltage, now it depends on whether you want to use it to take advantage of it or just for oc (to continue increasing I mean).

Hugtranz

Thank you very much for your response, it clarifies many doubts for me, here I leave the next modification.

I think the results improved, even the temperature ones.

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