Memory errors, what is going wrong?

[incrediboy]

hello, lately I've been getting some bsod, so I started looking into what was wrong, and in the windows resource monitor it says that the memory is giving errors (50-150 page errors per second when opening programs). all the components are without any overclock, but still it gives errors and keeps crashing every now and then. when I enter the bios I get the typical message that "your system has crashed because of overclock or excessive voltage"… or something like that, but it doesn't have overclock and I haven't increased any voltage. to make matters worse I bought the pc at the beginning of January 2010, so several components won't have a warranty anymore, what a coincidence huh?

do you have any ideas on how to find out what's wrong? I've checked the voltages on the board with a tester and they seemed normal, so I think that either the ram or the memory controller (on the 1366 it's inside the processor right?) is failing.

[cobito]

First of all, page errors are not memory failures, but failures that the operating system makes when managing the paging file (it is normal to have quite a few of these errors in desktop editions of Windows) but at no time do they indicate a failure in the hardware.

Do the usual; check temperatures, power supply voltages, recently installed drivers, do a clear CMOS and/or update the BIOS.

[incrediboy]

@cobito:

First of all, page errors are not memory failures, but failures that the operating system makes when managing the paging file (it is normal that there are quite a few of these errors in desktop editions of Windows) but at no time do they indicate a failure in the hardware.

Do the typical thing; check temperatures, power supply voltages, recently installed drivers, do a clear CMOS and/or update the BIOS.

I have already tried what you say except updating the bios, because it has never given me problems.

Maybe I am wrong, but almost always these failures are due to the ram, at least according to what I have seen so far.

[cobito]

If you have the OS well taken care of, yes, it is usually a memory problem. In any case, you can run a test and you will have your doubts cleared.

[Sylver]

That's either the BIOS battery or leaving it plugged in everyday to an active outlet. What I'm saying may not make sense, but it happened to me, I left the PC off for a few days but connected in every way, power button on, power strip on... and every time I started it up ZAS, "your system has crashed because of overclock or whatever, please press DEL to get into the BIOS and re-configure your system or F1 to keep going" and since I unplugged the power strip there's no problem at all. I start it up and it remembers the BIOS settings well and doesn't show paranoia everywhere like before.
Knowing you, you've passed the memtest, but just in case I recommend it, and then try the BIOS battery thing. As a last resort, update it and see what happens.

Regards, mate

[XaviJS]

As Cobito told you, those errors per page are very normal. They are not signs of a malfunctioning Hardware. But a poor optimization by the OS to manage memory. But it has its methods so that those errors do not pose a problem.

Run a memtest, make sure you have the PC clean of strange programs, spyware, etc. Try using Linux if you are familiar, to rule out Hardware or Software.

Greetings!

[incrediboy]

@Sylver:

That's going to be either the BIOS battery or leaving it plugged in every day to an active power outlet. What I'm saying may not make sense, but it happened to me, I left the PC off for a few days but connected in every way, power button on, power strip on... and every time I started it up ZAS, "your system has crashed because of overclock or whatever, please press DEL to get into the BIOS and re-configure your system or F1 to continue" and since I unplugged the power strip there's been no problem at all. I start it up and it remembers the BIOS values well and doesn't show paranoia everywhere like before.
Knowing you, you've probably run memtest, but just in case I recommend it, and then try the BIOS battery thing. As a last resort, update it and see what happens.

Regards, mate

well right now I was downloading memtest, let's see what comes up. The PC always has the power off from the power button when it's off. The BIOS doesn't give errors always, it only comes up after a BSOD.

@cobito:

If you have the OS well taken care of, yes, it's usually a memory problem. In any case, you can run a test and you'll know for sure.

I have the OS well taken care of and with its antivirus, and besides, it's been a little over a month since I formatted and did a clean install. (and until now it hadn't given me any problems)

[incrediboy]

@XaviJS:

As Cobito rightly told you, these errors per page are very normal. They are not signs of a hardware malfunction. Rather, they are a result of poor optimization by the OS to manage memory. But it has its methods to ensure that these errors do not become a problem.

Run a memtest, make sure your PC is clean of any strange programs, spyware, etc. Try using Linux if you are familiar, to rule out hardware or software issues.

Best regards!

I know that normally these errors come up, but now there are a lot more errors (and it doesn't seem to be the hard drive's fault) and it freezes when opening programs

[Sylver]

@incrediboy:

I know that usually errors come out of that, but now there are quite a few more errors (and it doesn't seem to be the hard drive's fault) and it freezes when opening programs

Change hard drive and try with another one, that has a new/clean OS installation to see if the hardware does the same or not with it.
I think that way you make sure it's not your operating system.

[Fassou]

If you have the OS on the SSD, run the diagnostic utility on it, because it might be dying

Best regards! and hope it's nothing

[incrediboy]

it makes me happy that it has a 90% life left… this ssd has been with me for only 7-8 months and it doesn't look like it's failing.

[Nemo]

@Sylver:

It's either the BIOS battery or you leave it plugged in every day to an active power outlet. What I'm saying may not make sense, but it happened to me, I left the PC off for a few days but connected in every way, power button on ON, power strip on... and every time I started it up ZAS, "your system has crashed because of overclock or whatever, please press DEL to get into the BIOS and re-configure your system or F1 to continue" and since I unplugged the power strip there's no problem at all. I start it up and it remembers the BIOS values well and doesn't show paranoia everywhere like before.
Knowing you, you've passed the memtest, but just in case I recommend it, and then try the BIOS battery thing. As a last resort, update it and see what happens.

Regards, buddy

Well the problem is going to be an infection...you've got a reggaeton guy speaking in Spanglish in the system :risitas:

Sorry for the offtopic...but I can't help myself

Let's see what data the Memtest gives

Regards.

[Sylver]

@Nemo:

Well the problem is going to be an infection…you've got a reggaeton singer talking in Spanglish in the system :risitas:

Sorry for the offtopic...but I can't help myself

Let's see what data the Memtest gives

Best regards.

Just me? Have you read the famous author of the branch? It's an epidemic… :risitas:

Incredible, also try changing the disk with a clean OS, it may shed some light on the matter.

Regards

[incrediboy]

so in the end I'm not sure if the graphics card won't be fried... this afternoon to rule out things I uninstalled the latest drivers and when I installed the new ones and restarted Windows it wouldn't boot (after the "starting Windows" screen I got a pink screen with all sorts of errors). I went into safe mode and it booted fine, I deleted the drivers and it booted fine without graphics drivers in normal mode. I downloaded an older version of the graphics drivers that I know work, and after restarting the PC Windows wouldn't boot again. After several restarts I managed to get it to boot, I put in a game to monitor temperatures and it didn't take 5 minutes for the image to freeze, the PC to hang and the graphics card fan to go full blast (fighter jet turbine mode [ON])

let's see if tomorrow I can get another old graphics card from the storage room and try with a clean installation of Windows, but things don't look good at all... this is getting annoying, I've already fried 3 gtx580s.

[Sylver]

@incrediboy:

so in the end i'm not sure if the graphics card won't be fried… this afternoon to rule out things i uninstalled the latest drivers and when i installed the new ones and rebooted windows wouldn't start (after the "starting windows" screen i got a pink screen all messed up with errors all over the place). i went into safe mode and it started fine, i deleted the drivers and it started fine without graphics drivers in normal mode. i downloaded an older version of the graphics drivers that i know work, and after rebooting the pc windows wouldn't start again. after several reboots i got it to start, i put a game on to monitor temperatures and it didn't take 5 minutes for the image to freeze, the pc to hang and the graphics card fan to go full blast (fighter jet turbine mode [ON])

let's see if tomorrow i can get another old graphics card from the storage room and try with a clean install of windows, but things don't look good at all… this sucks already 3 gtx580s fried.

¿¿Three 580s?? :|:|:|:|
Dude, check that card or the power supply, because something there is not right when you fry 3 graphics cards in a row and the rest of the equipment stays unfazed…

[incrediboy]

@Sylver:

¿¿Tres 580?? :|:|:|:|
Tio, mira aver esa placa o la fuente, porque algo de ahí no va bien cuando te petan 3 gráficas seguidas y el resto del equipo sigue sin inmutarse…

dudo que sea por eso. a la primera se le engancho el cable del ventilador de la grafica a las aspas del ventilador, se rompio el cable y del calenton que se llevo peto la grafica (por defecto de montaje)… y la segunda la rompio mi perro, por lo visto mi grafica se parecia a su juguete favorito :vayatela:

[Sylver]

@incrediboy:

I doubt it's because of that. The first one had the graphics card fan cable hooked to the fan blades, the cable broke and from the heat it generated, the graphics card was damaged (due to a mounting defect)... and the second one was broken by my dog, apparently my graphics card looked like his favorite toy :vayatela:

Come on, man... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::risitas:
Well, you'll have to put a muzzle on your buddy or put metal mesh on the PC... (or put it directly in the case, we know each other ¬¬ ) xD

[incrediboy]

this afternoon I reinstalled the operating system and the PC turned on, until I installed the graphics drivers and it stopped booting (it gets stuck on the starting Windows screen). In safe mode it does enter so I deleted the drivers, I put an NVIDIA 8600GT, reinstalled drivers and with this it works perfectly… so it seems that the graphics card has blown up with only a year of life and without doing the beast with the overclock (it has spent its entire life below 70º and stable at less voltage than it comes with from the factory).

let's see if there is luck and the people from izarmicro don't give me too much trouble to process an RMA

[Sylver]

@incrediboy:

this afternoon I reinstalled the operating system and the PC turned on, until I installed the graphics drivers and it stopped booting (it gets stuck on the starting Windows screen). In safe mode it does enter so I deleted the drivers, I put an NVIDIA 8600GT, reinstalled the drivers and with this it works perfectly… so it seems that the graphics card has blown up with only a year of life and without doing anything crazy with overclocking (it has spent its entire life below 70º and stable at less voltage than what it comes with from the factory).

let's see if there's any luck and the people at izarmicro don't give me too much trouble to process an RMA

But what still surprises me is that it blew up if it works without the drivers… What OS have you installed?

[incrediboy]

@Sylver:

But what still surprises me is that it crashed if it works without the drivers… What OS have you installed?

a clean original installation of windows 7 ultimate 64bits. I also think it's strange that it starts without drivers, maybe it has something to do with it working in 2d or 3d mode (due to aero or I don't know what effects).

Anyway, in the clean installation the gtx580 fails and the 8600gt that I borrowed my brother's code for without permission works fine so... :nono: