Approach to a team between office automation and mathematical calculation of chess

[Raesan]

I was discarding the FX waiting for better times for AMD. Why not wait for Haswell? If Intel were not so stingy and sold the Sandy at a bargain price, I would go all out for a 2500K. But at the price of novelty, I prefer to wait for the new socket and platform debugged in 22nm.

It would also save me money on the motherboard by going for the Asrock so popular here and I would invest in a 256GB SSD instead of the 120. If you look, the price/GB ratio is more favorable.

[Obione]

Note that an FX x8 performs well with Frtz: Charts, benchmarks CPU Charts 2012, [22] Fritz Piledriver has just been released and the 8320 is cheaper than an i5. You don't need to go for an FX, with a 970A-UD3 you can already give it a go, better to invest in cooling if you don't have a decent and compatible one (for example a True Spirit 140 on Amazon if it fits in the case, the 120 if it doesn't fit). I wouldn't leave much money for memory, I would get the Ares 1333 and overclock them to 1600, the whole pack on pccomponentes is 310 pavetes + shipping + cooling if needed. If you prefer an i5 it's perfect, of course the ideal thing would be to see how they perform with the software you are going to use but for calculation an FX seems good to me. PD: As for the power supply, the TX 650 has had a price drop on pcc, it's a good buy.

[jordiqui]

@Obione:

Ojo que un FX x8 tira bien con Frtz:

Charts, benchmarks CPU Charts 2012, [22] Fritz

Acaban de salir los Piledriver y el 8320 sale más barato que un i5. No hace falta irse a una FX, con una 970A-UD3 ya se le puede dar caña, mejor que inviertas en disipa si no tienes uno decente y compatible (por ejemplo un True Spirit 140 en Amazon si te cabe en caja, el de 120 si no entra).

Gracias Obione. He visto las bench y de paso los precios de los piledriver 149€ el 8320. Clock a 4 Ghz. Tengo un mes por delante para ir planificando qué componentes comprar. El procesador 32nm me parece bien. La cuestión es ver qué caja ponemos porque ahí es entre otras cosas donde se dispara el presupuesto. No te parecen bien las corsair a 1600? realmente subir de 1333 a 1600 debe ser sencillo, pero tengo la duda del procesador. La placa pues tampoco necesito un chipset para estresar mucho los componentes, porque no es el objetivo. Aunque sí probar por una cuestión de principios el hardware que compre. Eso sí. Aunque ya digo que de 700 no puedo pasar. El disipador siempre puede esperar un mes ( sé que la refrigeración es muy importante) pero otros componentes tendrán que esperar. La memoria que he puesto la he visto en la portada de cool, y me ha parecido razonable el precio ( siempre teniendo en cuenta que no veo precios desde hace un año)

[Obione]

With those components and including a True Spirit 140 you only carry half the budget, you can get a 690 II, SSD (M4 128GB for example) and some other stuff even for less than 700€. Cooler Master CM 690 II (ver.2), Plastic, Steel, 0 W, 1x 120 mm, 120 mm, 80, 120, 140 mm, 1x 120 mm: Amazon.es: Electronics
Thermalright True Spirit 140, 21 Db, Black, Copper, Green, Silver, Yellow, 771 g, 170 x 53 x 155 mm - Amazon.es: Thermalright You just won't notice the memory and I prefer a low profile so as not to have problems with the heatsink but well, to your liking.

[jordiqui]

Directly to register on Amazon. They have logistics in Spain, right? Well, in any case, thank you very much Obione. Although it is very tight, I think I will be able to install a heatsink with those characteristics. Obviously it is not enough for a large tower. For now, mid-tower and that's why the modular power supply is essential (I'm only going to connect a few things:troll:) For the use I will give it, I will assemble the essential equipment. But while walking around the shops in the center of BCN, I see that, with the crisis, they are getting rid of core i5 (sandy Bridge) with 8GB of ram for 465 in some cases. I'm not going to look either, I'll also check the forum to see what's going on with mobile telephony, adsl that I will have to use the mobile as a router and I have to look for an interesting prepaid rate. Regards!

[Sylver]

@jordiqui:

Directly to register on Amazon. They have logistics in Spain, right? Well, in any case thank you very much Obione. Although it's very tight I think I can install a heatsink with those characteristics. Obviously it's not enough for a large tower. For now a mid-tower and that's why the modular power supply is essential (after all I'm only going to connect a little:troll:) For the use I'm going to give it, assembling the essential equipment. But walking around the shops in the center of BCN, look that with the crisis, they are getting rid of core i5 (sandy Bridge) with 8GB of ram for 465 in some cases. Nothing I'm also going to look around the forum to see what's going on with mobile telephony, adsl that I will have to use the mobile as a router and I have to look for an interesting prepaid rate. Regards!

It came out for me for 360€ = ASRock Z77 Extreme4 + i5 2500K + 8Gb of G.Skill Ripjaws X RAM :sisi:

[jordiqui]

Cooler Master CM 690 II (ver.2), Plastic, Steel, 0 W, 1x 120 mm, 120 mm, 80, 120, 140 mm, 1x 120 mm - Coolermaster EUR 78,14
AMD FX-8150 Microprocessor 3.6Ghz, 16 MB, AM3+ - EUR 167,85
Asrock 990FX EXTREME3, 32 GB, 800, 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 MHz, dual, DDR3-SDRAM, AMD, Socket AM3 -
EUR 94,95
Kingston KHX16LC10K2/16X - Memory, 16 GB DDR3, 1600 MHz, 240-pin DIMM - EUR 73,82
Thermalright True Spirit 140, 21 Db, Black, Copper, Green, Silver, Yellow, 771 g, 170 x 53 x 155 mm
EUR 41,78
OCZ ModXStream Pro, 700W, 700 W, 100 - 240 V, 50/60 Hz, 10 A, Overload, ATX - EUR 77,31
Ocz AGT3-25SAT3-240G Agility 3 EUR 157,14
Sapphire Radeon HD 6750 - Graphics card ATI (PCI-e, 1 GB GDDR5 memory, HDMI, VGA, 1 GPU) - SAPPHIRE
EUR 90,01

EUR 781,00

Now if we put
OCZ Agility 3 120Gb SSD - Sata 3 - 525/500 Mb/s
88,95 € compared to 157€
DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport 16Gb (2x8192Mb) - PC12800(1600Mhz) - CL9
56.96 € compared to 73 €

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4Ghz Box Socket 1155
229€

On amazon it is at 299€

ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 87 €
With the Intel option I save ten euros on the motherboard and spend 60 euros more on the processor. That is, about 640 euros approximately, without the graphics card. I think this processor will have better performance than the FX, always according to my needs.
And using the integrated card on the motherboard I save a total of 180 euros, that is approximately around 600 € which is within my possibilities. Within this configuration I can go up to 700. Other alternatives are accepted. Thanks, compis!!!!:osvaisacagar:

[jordiqui]

Cooler Master CM 690 II (ver.2), Plastic, Steel, 0 W, 1x 120 mm, 120 mm, 80, 120, 140 mm, 1x 120 mm - Coolermaster EUR 78.14

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4Ghz Box Socket 1155
195€

ASRock Z77 Pro4-M
87 €

Memoria DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport 16Gb (2x8192Mb) - PC12800(1600Mhz) - CL9
56.96 €

Disco SSD OCZ Agility 3 120Gb - Sata 3 - 525/500 Mb/s
88,95 €

Thermalright True Spirit 140, 21 Db, Black, Copper, Green, Silver, Yellow, 771 g, 170 x 53 x 155 mm
EUR 41.78

OCZ ModXStream Pro, 700W, 700 W, 100 - 240 V, 50/60 Hz, 10 A, Overload, ATX - EUR 77.31

625,14€
The total of these components. The tower does not convince me, but if I do not see an option that has a good quality price ratio and can install the heatsink and fan without problems, I will stay with this option.
By the way, do prices go up and down so quickly now? the processor was yesterday at 229 and now at 195….

[Nemo]

Well, the tower is a marvel in terms of usability. Easy to clean, install components, configurable cooling, etc. Now, if you don't like it aesthetically, to each their own. ;D
You also have the option of the Nox Coolbay VX which are a bit cheaper and are practically the same as the CM-690.

I recently built a system with an Asrock Z77 pro 4, but the ATX version, and I really liked the motherboard.

Best regards

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[jordiqui]

@Nemo:

Well, the tower, in terms of usability, is a marvel. Easy to clean, to install components, configurable cooling, etc. Now, if you don't like it aesthetically, to each their own. ;D
You also have the option of the Nox Coolbay VX which are a bit cheaper and are practically the same as the CM-690.

Recently I built a system with an Asrock Z77 pro 4, but the ATX version, and I really liked the motherboard.

Best regards

I don't like it in the sense that on Amazon I've seen several models with the same name and I need to know which one will allow me to place the heatsink comfortably. I also imagine that with the modular power supply and installing very little, the hot air extraction will be done perfectly by the fans that come with the stock tower. I think the tower is fine.

[Raesan]

I don't like it in the sense that on Amazon I have seen several models with the same name and I need to know which one will allow me to place the heatsink comfortably.

Discard the 690, it is mediocre and very old. Look for the CM 690 II, there is the advance, with a dock to plug in hard drives hot and the Lite, if so but cheaper. They have also released the version of these with USB3. The 690 II are great, everything fits and it is elegant.

I have a Nox and I won't repeat. For saving 20€, I miss the quality of CoolerMaster.

[jordiqui]

@Raesan:

Skip the 690, it's mediatorre and very old. Look for the CM 690 II, there's the advance, with a dock to plug in hard drives hot and the Lite, if it is but cheaper. They have also released the version of these with USB3. The 690 II are grantorre, everything fits and it's elegant.

I have a Nox and I won't repeat. To save myself 20€ I miss the quality of CoolerMaster.

Coolmaster

In the full configuration I have the Cooler Master 690 II Advanced and now it has convinced me. To start it's not bad. That said, I buy the tower at BCN store, because otherwise they assure me that paying by credit card the shipping is free, it's too heavy. Although I always paid cash on delivery, now when paying via card or PayPal I imagine it will be free.

[Tecnho]

It is a great Jordiqui case that I have assembled both the Lite and the Advance versions. If you don't use the hot-swap dock, the Lite will work perfectly. It is a great case, either one of them.

[Raesan]

Well if you see her physically she is better, because no photo does her justice.

[jordiqui]

AMD FX Series FX-8150 Black Edition - 3,6 GHz - Socket AM3+ (FD8150FRGUBOX) - AMD EUR 272,06

Asrock 990FX EXTREME3, 32 GB, 800, 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 MHz, dual, DDR3-SDRAM, AMD, Socket AM3 EUR 96,42
730€

Complete configuration with AMD

Asrock Z77 Pro3, 32 GB, 16GB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866, 2133, 2400 MHz, DDR3-SDRAM, dual, Inte EUR 81,65
Intel Core i7-3770K - Processor EUR 299,48
EUR 743,17

Score of the Intel processor 14647 in fritzBenchmark
Score of the AMD processor 12150 in fritzBenchmark.

The difference between both configurations is 13 euros. Obviously too little difference in euros, but yes in performance for the same price, well 13 euros less.
What do you think? In the end I spent 43 euros of the budget, well then I will have the coffee at home next month and that's another 40 euros that I save and invest in the core i7.

The truth is that I don't know how Amazon works, but there are almost a hundred euros difference between the first and the ones that are known in our country. What a mess I have now between the bulldozer architecture ivy Bridge and others. I will meditate in the shade.

[jordiqui]

Final decision. It really pays off the 8150 as long as the difference in the fritzbenchmark does not justify those 200€ extra of the processor. I hope you like the configuration, although I wish the price would go down a bit so I can get the graphics card. There are still 15 days left…..

[Obione]

It doesn't convince me, better air, more than enough with the 970A-UD3 and a TX 650. Get 2x4GB Ares 1333 low profile so they don't clash with the Silver Arrow SB-E and go for the 8320. PD: You won't notice the RAM frequency but if you want, raise it to 1600, the important thing is to give it some juice to micro and NB.

[jordiqui]

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@Obione:

No me convence, mejor aire, sobra con la 970A-UD3 y con una TX 650 más que servido. Pilla 2x4GB Ares 1333 de perfil bajo para que no te choquen con el Silver Arrow SB-E y ves a por el 8320.

PD: La frecuencia de la RAM no la vas a notar pero si quieres súbelas a 1600, lo importante es que le des caña a micro y NB.

Respecto a las memorias tengo que subir la cantidad, los programas de ajedrez gestionan unas bases de datos brutales y necesitan mucha ram con el procesador estoy contigo, ahora que me acabo de despertar no voy a amilanarme por el hecho de que esté el multiplicador bloqueado. Respecto a la fuente, la diferencia del precio es tan poca que el hecho de que sea modular o no si que influye al menos para mí a la hora del montaje final quiero dejarlo lo mejor posible . Aunque con la placa y el disipador tengo dudas, no técnicas sino que creo que al procesador lo podemos exprimir algo más con el 990 que con el 970 y respecto al disipador es una animalada como los que compraba antes, aunque parece ser que el rendimiento es el mismo que el H100 y eso que yo le pongo el H80 por lo tanto será inferior el mío. A estas alturas no voy a andar con la estética, pero si con la funcionalidad. El precio de esa serie de Corsair no justifica el precio si atendemos a sus resultados:

Tengo tiempo para pensar respecto a la placa y el tema térmico. La memoria necesito mínimo 16Gb o más , si fuera como hace dos años atrás no dudaría en absoluto ir a por las 1333, pero ahora no puedo. Gracias Obione me has ayudado a pulir detalles. Sobretodo el procesador que merece la pena el cambio.