Xeon E5472 problem on P5B Deluxe

[Xevipiu]

Let's do a theoretical class, the crap about the x5472 is that it's capped at x7.5 400x7.5 = 3Ghz), which is equivalent to an L5420/E5420 at x7.5 (333x7.5 = 2.5Ghz)

The higher the multiplier, the more air you give to the 775 board because of its FSBwall

The best investment is an x5470 at x10 or the cheap x5460 at x9.5 for 18€

I've already had a few beers, that's why I'm blind!



[Sylver]

All of that is true, with the small difference that the X5472 has a 1600 bus stock, which for 13€ is little less than a gift.

¡Saludos!

[Xevipiu]

An E5420 costs €5
An x5460 x10 costs €16

Intel Xeon X5460 3.16GHz 12M 1333 Processor close to LGA775 Core 2 Quad Q9650 CPU

Does it have native support for Strapp400? All Core2Quad can run at Strapp400/1600, the limitation of dividers comes according to the chipset used, the important thing in these cases is to have a high multiplier, especially in this case that wants to use it under an i965 and its limitations with these 45nm.

Regards.


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[cobito]

Well, I got a practically unused Asus P5K from a PC that was going to be thrown away. Although it is from a lower range than my P5B Deluxe, it has a more modern chipset and what is more important: it has the socket intact.

So in the coming days I will get to work on the subject to see how much I can get out of the Xeon. The only problem remains the frequency limitation of the memories (DDR2-800).

[amd125]

I am very happy about the new motherboard. I really regret selling the 775 platform years ago, because I had it with a Q6600 at 3.2 and it went very well, but only having 4 Gigas of RAM made me jump to an FX 8320 that broke... and from the RMA I received an FX 8350.

Although I was able to tinker with it, I changed it for a 2600K some time later. Well I changed it... I have had the FX in the closet for more than half a year.

Good luck with the Xeon and long life to the 775

[cobito]

Well I've managed to get it working and for some reason, the micro has reached its native 3GHz with DDR2-800 memory when with the P5B Deluxe it didn't go above 2GHz. I suppose it's because of the support for the 1600Mhz that the P5B didn't have.

The thing is that at 3GHz the system is not stable. Wndows gives a blue screen while booting and in Linux, if a kernel panic doesn't jump at startup, the desktop environment doesn't finish booting. I've lowered the frequency to 2.4GHz and it's perfect, but of course I'm wasting that 20%.

By the way, the BIOS is updated and the micro patch is added. Do you know if something can be done to squeeze out the 3GHz?

Thanks.

[whoololon]

@cobito ¿Qué fuente montas?

[cobito]

It is a Be Quiet! BQT-S6-SYS-700W: https://web.archive.org/web/20150708112537/www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/291

[Sylver]

I think it's a matter of the FSB. That chipset reaches a maximum of 1333 mhz according to the manufacturer, so theoretically anything you put above that could produce instability.

My Asus P5KPL-AM EPU does support the FSB at 1600 (OC mode according to Asus), and the system stability is full. However, being designed to go to 1333, the 1600 are a luxury allowed but not imposed. That's why I don't scratch even one mhz more than the native 3Ghz of the micro.

In the end I think we will have to invest in top-of-the-range boards to get the most out of these gadgets...

Greetings!

[cobito]

@sylver That makes sense to what I have experienced. I have tested by setting the FBS to 333, 340, 350... and from 350 the problems start. I left it at 333 so I could put the memories at 800MHz. In the end I am left with a micro similar to my E6600 series with double the cores and double the cache, which is not bad but it is also not the panacea since little software makes use of more than 2 cores (I have realized that not even games).

Anyway, let's see if they lower the RAM, SSD and graphics cards at once and I retire this pile of junk already.

[Xevipiu]

@sylver said in Problem Xeon E5472 on P5B Deluxe:

I think it's a matter of the FSB. That chipset reaches a maximum of 1333 mhz according to the manufacturer, so theoretically everything you put above could produce instability.

My Asus P5KPL-AM EPU does support the FSB at 1600 (OC mode according to Asus), and the system stability is full. However, being designed to go to 1333, the 1600 are a luxury allowed but not imposed. That's why I don't scratch even a MHz more than the native 3Ghz to the micro.

In the end I think we will have to invest in top-of-the-range boards to get the most out of these gadgets...

Best regards!

What nonsense you say, if you don't know what you're talking about, it's better to keep quiet

[Xevipiu]

I have two 965i, one P5B Deluxe and one Commando, both reach perfectly up to 2000, which are almost 500FSB effective, that means you will be more than enough with 420/430FSB with your motherboard, that is why it is so important that the processor has a high multiplier, since if it has a Strapp of 1600 native, it means that it will use a low multiplier.

Here you have the example of one of my Xeon x5460 with multiplier x9.5

520x9.5 = 4.940mhz real
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[cobito]

@Xevipiu I appreciate your contributions to the forum, but you should try to address the other members in a more respectful way.

That said, as I mentioned above, my motherboard is no longer a P5B Deluxe, but a P5K with the P35. If the problem is not the chipset, what could it be?

[Xevipiu]

Do you have the P5K bare, the Vanilla one?
Have you updated the BIOS from here? http://genius239239.myweb.hinet.net/771/

Put Strapp 400 on it and with the 1:2 divider (800)

I also have P5K, P5k Deluxe, P5K3 Deluxe and a Blitz Extreme (All P35 chipset)
The truth is that there is no problem, you are doing something wrong

[Sylver]

@xevipiu

Well, it's very simple. Cobito and I have the same micro. As far as I know, you don't. We contribute here the sensations and experiences that we have with knowledge of the cause, first-hand, without NASA engineer titles, to be clear.

I've commented that I have problems detecting SATA ports when I overclock the micro. It goes up and turns on, but obviously it's useless to me without a system to boot. I've tried all possible configurations and it hasn't worked. My chipset is the G31, in case it's of any use to you.

If you comment that indeed the problem is the lack of a high multiplier due to the limitation of the FSB on the boards, then there's nothing crazy about what I said earlier, which is to try with boards that allow more play with micros with low multiplier. You've said so far that it's silly to buy this model of micro and that we should buy another one, a very constructive contribution considering that this thread is specifically about the X5472, which we already have and with which we want to deal at this time.

Regards.

[Xevipiu]

I understand that you can't do more, that it has to do with it being an x5472 in this case, they are all Yorkfield, in this case E0.

The causes can be many, but as a general rule the board shouldn't have problems if it's done correctly,
I doubt the FSB limitation, it can work quietly at 430/450FSB without touching the north voltages. especially the frequency of the PCi_E is set to 101mhz.

I have few Xeon E0 and C0, to date none have given me problems: E5420L, E5430, E5440, E5450, x5450, x5460, 5470, (x5260, x5270, x5160, etc...* )

[Sylver]

@xevipiu said in Problem Xeon E5472 on P5B Deluxe:

I understand that you can't do more, that it has to do with it being an x5472 in this case, they are all Yorkfield, in this case E0.

The causes can be many, but as a general rule the motherboard shouldn't cause problems if done correctly,
I doubt the FSB limitation, it can work comfortably at 430/450FSB without touching the north voltages. Especially the frequency of the PCi_E which is set to 101mhz.

I have few Xeon E0 and C0, to date none have given me problems: E5420L, E5430, E5440, E5450, x5450, x5460, 5470, (x5260, x5270, x5160, etc...*)

And I understand that you're stuck, because precisely Cobito's has a different stepping than mine, his is a C0.

Starting from the base that as you rightly say the causes can be many, here we are two with problems to raise it above 3Ghz. Of course there is the possibility that we don't know how to do it, although it could also be a coincidence that this micro gives us problems to both of us in parallel.

Apart from that, as already mentioned, in two of the four tests, we both had a socket pin broken, so maybe apart from not knowing how to do it right, that was also holding us back, which is not to say that it has to be the cause, I leave those conclusions to more experienced forum members and/or with less aptitude for communication.

Regards.

[Xevipiu]

@sylver said in Xeon E5472 problem on P5B Deluxe:

@xevipiu said in Xeon E5472 problem on P5B Deluxe:

I understand that you can't do more, that it has to do with it being an x5472 in this case, they are all Yorkfield, in this case E0.

The causes can be many, but as a general rule, the motherboard shouldn't have problems if it's done correctly,
I doubt the FSB limitation, it can work comfortably at 430/450FSB without touching the north voltages. Especially the frequency of the PCi_E is set to 101mhz.

I have few Xeon E0 and C0, to date none have given me problems: E5420L, E5430, E5440, E5450, x5450, x5460, 5470, (x5260, x5270, x5160, etc...* )

And I understand that you're stuck, because precisely Cobito's has a different stepping than mine, his is a C0.

Starting from the base that as you rightly say the causes can be many, here we are two with problems to raise it above 3Ghz. Of course, there is the possibility that we don't know how to do it, although it could also be a coincidence that this micro gives us problems to both of us in parallel.

Apart from that, as already mentioned, in two of the four tests, we both had a socket pin broken, so maybe apart from not knowing how to do it right, that was hindering us, which is not to say that it has to be the cause, I leave those conclusions to more experienced forum members and/or with less aptitude for communication.

Regards.

I understand that you have a finger up your ass. If you mention that you have a pin, you just have to identify which one it is, to know if that pin affects you physically, there must be no diagrams of socket 775 on the net, there is nothing that can't be solved.

Apart from the pin, you just have to keep trying possible causes by elimination, there are symptoms that you clearly identify where the problem comes from (you can also use any other 45/65nm processor to see if you have the same limitations).

Less or more aptitude for communication, it's misinformation without knowing what you're talking about

[kynes]

Gentlemen, let there be peace...

[Sylver]

@xevipiu And so we did, but we achieved nothing.

For my part, I leave the topic. A broad knowledge of hardware and/or software does not exempt anyone from having education and respect, nor from knowing how to use basic notions of conversation in any area of life. We are people before experts or technicians.

Greetings.