Ryzen 3000 owners census (questions and help)

hAyO

As many of us are considering upgrading to these processors, I thought about developing the thread, for information on curiosities, configurations, help. As well as troubleshooting that may exist or improvements of course depending on our configurations as we have them. For now, I am waiting for the memories (After selling my old platform Intel i7 4770K and Asrock Z97 Extreme 4, which gave me such good results.

My next configuration will be approx:

Corsair TX850M
MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi
AMD Ryzen 3700X
2x8GB DDR4 Gskill TridentZ RGB 3600 CL18
Gigabyte RTX2070 WindForce 8GB DDR6 (this is the one I acquired in May)
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (for now we keep it although we will evolve to M.2)
2*HDD 1TB 1 Seagate, 1 Western Digital...

Let's see when we can show off some stuff! The review in the forum can be seen here and if you want I've also rummaged on the internet here

RECOMMENDATIONS

Activate the XMP profile of the memories in the BIOS, or if you are more advanced, manually. It is recommended to use memories of 3200Mhz or above, since Infinity Fabric works at 1800 (its thing is 3600 to go 1:1 with the lowest latency).
Activate the CR 1 (Command Rate 1) as it will improve the latency of the same, for now it is not known if when occupying the 4 banks we have to finish with CR2.
Use quality thermal paste in the assembly, especially if we use the AMD cooler.
Keep the motherboard BIOS updated since AMD sends the AGESA instructions so that for example the chips improve their management with RAM among other things.

AS A NOTE (Discovered and discussed by the TELEGRAM group)
RAM TOPIC in RYZEN 3000 with INFINITY FABRIC

RAM for Ryzen, how Infinity Fabric works, in the Ryzen 3000, or what is the same Ryzen 5 3600, 3600x, Ryzen 7 3700x and 3800x, and 3900x, as well as the 3950x:

It has been determined that Infinity Fabric, which is responsible for communicating with the memory, works at an optimal speed of 1866Mhz. With which, what memories should we use?
For this we must remember that the effective speed of our RAM is always half, and is determined, since DDRs do 2 operations per clock cycle.

Therefore, how would Infinity Fabric work with RAM

DDR4 at 2400 --> Infinity Fabric will work at 1200 (a high performance loss will be noticed)
DDR4 at 2666 -> Which is the same, it will be very low (1333 effective)
DDR4 at 2800 --> Something begins to be noticed but it is not recommended (1400)
DDR4 at 3000 --> The same at 1500
DDR4 at 3200 --> It begins to be appreciated, perhaps for Gaming the most usual 1600Mhz
DDR4 at 3400 --> same as 3200, it would end up working at 1700
DDR4 at 3600 --> Here it would be the most leveled, since it would receive 1800 of the 1867 so we almost reach the real 1:1 (the most recommended
DDR4 at 3733 --> It would be the most recommended since it is 1867, but the price is very high in comparison
DDR4 at 4000 or + --> Here the memory should be configured well, since if we leave it by default we can cause a high performance drop, since usually it would be set to 1000-1200 mhz.

I have left in bold the most recommended frequencies, always remember to have low latency, I'll see when I make my 3600 sweat, and I'll scratch their latency to see if I can get 16-17

Obione

I've fallen, I'm getting a 3600 from xtremmedia with a Pro Carbon B450 and a BitFenix 550. MP510 480GB, Aegis 3000 and a Macho from Alternate, about 600 euros.

hAyO

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cobito

@hayo If you want, you can post your results here and I will add them to a table on the front page.

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Obione

A colleague from another forum mentioned that after upgrading from Intel to AMD and then formatting, there are no performance differences. However, I have been tinkering with this for years and there are things that I have to change, such as SpeedFan which has no support, so no matter how much I mess with the config for various things, I prefer to stay calm and destroy. I will put Argus Monitor instead of SpeedFan and the rest of the stuff, even if it takes me some time, this is not something that is done every day.

P.D.: The same thing happened to me with the update and subsequent format from Intel to Intel with different sockets. A simulator wasn't working well and I thought it could improve but nah, I think it was just right and the Intel patches fooled me into thinking it was a corrupt OS

Editing: WTF, I thought I was responding to a thread about formatting or updating the OS when switching platforms o_0

Obione

For my part, it seems that Alternate is not doing well with stock. After removing the memories, which I ordered on Amazon, they came out yesterday disk and dissipate. Let's see if Xtremmedia doesn't sleep, I hope to have everything next week.

Editing: Xtremmedia in shipment, next week to the fray

hAyO

You're going to love it, I'm at 10 with the

and let's see if I can put it on fire

hAyO

Updated, infinity fabric theme with Ryzen 3000

Fassou

About idle voltages on Windows, on Ryzen 3: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

Salu2!

Obione

I just ran some Cinebenches with manual OC weis. With a boost of 4.2 the PBO loses much of its appeal.

Volta Frec Temp
1.32 4125 81
1.28 4100 79
1.27 4075 77
1.25 4050 76

Rounded Vcore (CPU-Z). The first time I passed CB R20 at 1.3 it was OK at 4125, this time it has blown up at the end. It's a very fixed voltage and although it's a quick cuttest, it gives me the clue that there's no clear sweet spot although for now I put the target at 4.1 pending to see how the homeopathic adjustments of this board behave, which you touch voltage offset or different LLC levels and it ignores them. Anyway, it's reminding me of my MSI P67 which was just as messy as this Lite BIOS.

whoololon

Piece of thread. :thumbsup_tone2:
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Obione

Well, I'm sticking with 4.1@1.32 both are stable, after testing Prime custom and OCCT. Let's see if they release the new Agesa because the BIOS is dumb on many boards and the turbo doesn't work well among other things. When they are more debugged, I'll get into the turbo and dynamic with a little undervolt, 4 in multi with boost to 4.2 should perform better in games that don't parallelize well like my little car simulator.

It is said that with fixed voltage you should not go over 1.32volts, with PBO the peaks of 1.4X are OK.

rul3s

Here another 3700x + Asus x470 Strix F.
I'm still testing with the RAM but for now I'm doing 3666@16-15-15-28-42 with only 1.35v (1000% hci stable and TM5)

@obione said in Census of Ryzen 3000 owners (questions and help):

Well, I'm staying with 4.1@1.32 both fixed, after testing Prime custom and OCCT. Let's see if they release the new Agesa because the BIOS is dumb on many boards and the turbo doesn't work well among other things. When they are more debugged, I'll get into the turbo and the dynamic with a little undervolt, 4 in multi with boost to 4.2 should yield more in games that don't parallelize well like my little car simulator.

It is said that with fixed voltage you should not go beyond 1.32volts, with PBO the peaks of 1.4X are OK.

My 3700x does 4.1GHz with 1.275v, tested 2h of realbench and 30minutes of prime95, although it was just a test, normally it goes with the PBO that works wonderfully.

garfield

Hello:

Another one joins the 3000. Mounted on the x470 I had before, but with an H150i and Ripjaws V memory with hynix MFR chips 3200@3466 16-18-18-18-40 at 1.39v. Curious thing with these memories: more voltage, more errors. All according to the Dram Calculator for Ryzen. Moreover, according to that program, they should not work at more than 3448 16-18-20-20-40.
Latencies of 70ns. I don't think I can get much more. At 3533 the prime fails. But I can't complain about memory.

Curious thing that several of us have noticed with MSI: before each bios change you have to reset it, because it gets stuck. According to what Rul3s said it's because the values that the bios stores for the memories may not be compatible with the new versions. I must say that the last one for my board already has agesa 1.0.0.3ab, and that as we have seen there are not many changes with the memories. Maybe it's because they will be adding new chips that are now coming out on the market.
I have also noticed that compared to the 2700x the memory latencies have increased. I have the other computer with an x370 and the 2700x I had before, with some Micron B-die Ballistic Sport memory, at 2933 cas 16-16-16-16 and they give 65ns. Less than mine at much less speed. I don't know if it has to do with the chiplets, but I think AMD has a lot to improve in that area. I suppose that in the ryzen 4000 they will already have it solved, because in these it still stumbles a lot.
Last week I got some B-die, but one of the modules came bad, so I changed them for some Micron E-die Ballistic Elite 3600 cas16. According to what I have read they go up very very well. I have seen them at 4000 cas14-14-14-32 1T. We will see how they go, and if I don't return them to amazon and get some FlareX. For tinkering that won't be the case.

I forgot. My board allows you to change the infinity fabric bus asynchronously with the memory. I don't know for what, because the normal thing is that the memory goes the same as the infinity so that the yield is optimal. I suppose it will be for those who have very fast memories can use them to the maximum and the IF to the limit in which the dividers make it work at half. Or that depending on the processor or the board the IF can work at more or less speed. The truth is that until I get some memory that exceeds the 3733 that they say is the maximum of the IF I won't be able to check it. Let's see if they arrive this week.

Greetings

Obione

Sep garfield, you can overclock IF above the sync with memos and something can be scratched. And sep, the latencies are worse but, the bigger caches compensate for it. With Ryzen 2 the impact of the memories is not so big and from 3000MHz it scratches little, but it scratches. In fact, with that of holding more RAM clocks, the geeks have equalized the response against Ryzen +. They are working with B-Die's tightening the timings as before but, now at 3600 getting the same 6Xns.

Mr rul3s: you are touching my balls. Don't rub in my face how good your x8 is I already know how well it works for you and I don't need you to remind me that your beast, is more better than mine

rul3s

@obione said in Ryzen 3000 owners census (questions and help):

Sep garfield, you can overclock IF above the sync with memos and you can scrape something. And sep, the latencies are worse but the larger caches compensate for it. With Ryzen 2, the impact of the memory is not so great and from 3000MHz you can scrape a little, but you do scrape. In fact, with the fact that they can handle more RAM clocks, the geeks have equalized the response against Ryzen +. They are working with B-Die's tightening the timings like before but now at 3600 getting the same 6Xns.

Mr rul3s: you're touching my balls. Don't rub in my face how good your x8 is because I'm already aware of how well it works for you and I don't need you to remind me that your beast is better than mine

Ahahaha, but I don't consider mine good either xD
What I will leave here is an excel with memory configurations and their results, it can be very useful for you especially if you have bdie!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19M_eLP7i9eIWGGXaYtrzZD41fx0jMi4wfBdQvrbFOPI/edit?usp=sharing

I'm currently running that config 3666@16-15-15-15-28-42 and it's killing it, and I only need 1.375v in ram.

P.D: I'm still testing and it seems that with 1.275 it also does 4.1GHz

rul3s

Well, I definitely conclude the tests and for now I'll leave it with the following configuration:

OC Manual 4.15GHz
1.25v vCore (llc4) + 1.075v vSoc (llc3)
RAM 3666 16-15-15-15-28-48 @ Config de la hoja de excel
FCLK 3666 1:1 Coupled mode with the RAM.

RESULTS:

Aida64: Read 54781, Write 29275, Copy 51734, Latency 65.9ns
CB15: 2206
CB20: 4949
3DMark Time Spy CPU: 10853
Realbench 2.44 hwbot: (Image) 213165, (Encoding) 346093, (OpenCL) 116437, (Heavy MultiTasking) 275377, (System Score) 214480
Shadow of the tomb raider Complete: 166 (General average), 315 (Average cpu)

Perhaps later when they finish debugging the bios and the PBO I'll give it another chance, for now I'll leave it like this since with PBO I get the same frequency in multicore, 41.5x, but it puts 0.1v more than necessary... That is, in monocore it reaches 43.5, but since I don't need it I prefer to have it like this and cooler.

Here I leave the captures of the tests:

CONFIG:
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