Different fiber optic cables

[Clipper]

Well, that's it. At the time, I made a "mess" and ran the fiber optic cable (the big O2 one) along the facade.
He lived on the top floor.
And the technician connected it with a fiber cable (the typical yellow one) to the router.
The "big" cable enters the room where the main PC and the router are, and from there two cables come out: an RJ45 for the TV and a normal one for the phone (yes... I have a landline)
The existential doubt.
Since the facade is going to be renovated, I'll have to change the installation.
For an internal one.
I'll run the cables through the baseboards "sockets"
The doubt is, since I have to pay the company for the installation change...
And considering that the connection/speed on the PC is a priority.
Should I run a new internet cable to the PC room, or run a fiber cable to the entrance and from there run a "yellow" cable to the PC room and router.
It's roughly 25 MTRS
Simply with those 25 meters, the network loses speed with fiber optic cable or with the typical yellow one, "we're not talking about the RJ45"
I also have to pass one, which cat? 5 or 7?
Thinking about the future with possible speed upgrades.
Best regards

[defaultuser]

The reason why the installer still puts fiber from the wall to the router is that otherwise the fiber-ethernet interface (ONT) would have to go somehow in the wall or in another part of the installation, and it is less hassle, safer, and more convenient for the installer's intervention the way it is being done.
For the rest, fiber is convenient for covering kilometer distances, for maintaining decent latencies at distances of many tens of meters, and finally for its quality of being unaffected by electromagnetic interference.
For everything else, ethernet.

The cat 5e ethernet cable, which is the usual one now, has a theoretical maximum of 1000 Mb/s (the real bitrate would have to be seen in a serious analysis),
Cat6 same as 5e
6e 10Mb/s
cat7 10.000 Mb/s
cat7e a barbarity, within an apartment it can reach up to 100Gb/s.

So if you really care about crazy latencies, or if you want your intranet to be a mecca for group games, put fiber, otherwise ethernet in domestic distances eats up whatever you throw at it, just check the real performance of each category if you are going to build "something" very out of the ordinary, and maybe the qualities of the manufacturers.

The installation up to the door of your house has to be fiber because the ONT has to be inside your home, that part is easy.

You make me think if you really have a datacenter in the apartment.

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Different fiber optic cables:

The reason the installer still puts fiber from the wall to the router is that otherwise the fiber-ethernet interface (ONT) would have to go somehow in the wall or in another part of the installation, and it is less hassle, safer, and more convenient for the installer's intervention the way it is being done.
For the rest, fiber is convenient for covering kilometer distances, for maintaining decent latencies at distances of many tens of meters, and finally for its quality of being unaffected by electromagnetic interference.
For everything else, ethernet.

The cat 5e ethernet cable, which is the usual now, has a theoretical maximum of 1000 Mb/s (the real bitrate would have to be seen in a serious analysis),
Cat6 same as 5e
6e 10Mb/s
cat7 10,000 Mb/s
cat7e a barbarity, within an apartment it can reach 100Gb/s.

So if you really care about crazy latencies, or if you want your intranet to be a mecca for group games, put fiber, otherwise ethernet in domestic distances eats up whatever you throw at it, just check the real performance of each category if you are going to build "something" very out of the ordinary, and maybe the quality of the manufacturers.

The installation up to the door of your house has to be fiber because the ONT has to be inside your home, that part is easy.

You make me think if you really have a datacenter in the apartment.

I don't have a datacenter, but for the latencies, the cluster needs cat.7,8 with a router and a switch that supports those speeds. Now that I think about it, the cable from the router that goes from the dining room to the switch is 4, I have to change it and it goes through two rooms, I don't dare to do that....

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

because of the latencies, the cluster needs cat.7,8

It will be more collaborative computing than distributed for the latencies to affect you so much. But well, everyone with their needs will have their requirements.

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

Now that I think about it, the router cable that goes from the dining room to the switch is 4, I have to change it and it goes through two rooms, I don't dare to do that....

What's up, what's inside the tubes? I'll come and give you a hand if needed

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Different fiber optic cables:

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

For the latencies, the cluster needs cat.7,8

It will be more collaborative computing than distributed for the latencies to affect you so much. But well, everyone with their needs will have their requirements.

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

Now that I think about it, the router cable that goes from the dining room to the switch is 4, I have to change it and it goes through two rooms, I don't dare to do that....

What's up, what's inside the tubes? I'll come and give you a hand if needed

LOL. It doesn't go from the router and the installer drilled the wall to reach the room where I have the servers. It's that I've been setting up the network and no matter how much I optimize if the main cable is 4 and the others are not 7.8 we don't do anything. But I promise you I don't dare to put it in case I mess it up as I'm such a klutz.

[defaultuser]

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

But I promise you that I don't dare to put it in case I mess it up because I'm such a klutz.

...Well, cable, terminals, crimping pliers for the terminals, and you just have to pay attention when placing and crimping the terminal, which is the only thing that can go wrong.
And if you can fit both cables through the holes at the same time, I don't even know what to say, you prepare the new one, and if something goes wrong you go back to the old one while you fix it.

And if you're near Valencia we'll have a beer and put it in, that's it.

[jordiqui]

@defaultuser said in Different fiber optic cables:

@jordiqui said in Different fiber optic cables:

But I promise you that I don't dare to put it in case I mess it up because I'm such a klutz.

...Well, cable, terminals, pliers to crimp the terminals, and you just have to pay attention when placing and crimping the terminal, which is the only thing that can go wrong.
And if both cables fit through the holes at the same time, I don't even know what to say, you prepare the new one, and if something goes wrong you go back to the old one while you fix it.

And if you're near Valencia we can have a beer and put it in, that's it.

Well, the beer if I go to Valencia, it's a done deal. But from Terrassa, Bcn is a bit far for you.

[Clipper]

@jordiqui.
If the cable goes through a corrugated tube, you buy a cable guide and put it in, if it comes out the other end, you put the new cable tied to the cable guide and pass it and climb.
If it doesn't go through...
The current baseboards "sockets" can be bought with a groove to pass cables inside.
You stick the cable to the wall with hot silicone "the thermal gun one" you stick the socket the same way and you're done.
Regards

[jordiqui]

@clipper said in Different fiber optic cables:

@jordiqui.
If the cable goes through a corrugated tube, you buy a cable guide and put it in, if it comes out the other end, you put the new cable tied to the cable guide and pass it and climb.
If it doesn't go...
The current baseboards "sockets" can be bought with a slot to pass cables inside.
You stick the cable to the wall with hot silicone "the thermal gun one" you stick the socket the same way and you have it.
Regards

Thanks!! that's what I'll do, it's not going through tubes, but I'll tie it to the one that's there and pass it.

[Clipper]

Reflote of topic.
As the topic of the facade seems to be going on for a long time...
Leave the installation as it is.
The problem is that the two rj45 that go outside have died.
I do not remember exactly what CAT they are but it was the typical gray.
The issue due to the sun and other factors is that they are no longer smooth and have lost their flexibility, so I suppose they have self-crimped.
After giving it a couple of turns to change the installation, it comes out more convenient to leave part of the installation (the rj45) outside.
The question is, any RJ45 that can withstand the weather or directly with corrugated tube outside?
Although, thinking about it, the corrugated tube does not seem to withstand much UV rays... I suppose a rigid tube is better, right?
Regards

[Sylver]

@clipper The white channel, which is hard for a while:

¡Saludos!

[defaultuser]

In the old docsis cables that the company Ono installed outdoors, there were different variants, and the outdoor ones that went along the facade were specific and lasted a lot.
I mean, I take it for granted that if you look into it, there will be something like that in ethernet, which might be expensive.

Best regards.

[Clipper]

Reblote...
I bought a network cable for rj45, as I messed up measuring I ran out of cable, it's not a problem because it's the exterior that I'll have to change

But since I messed up I have to change the fiber optic installation, I'm with O2 and they charge me almost 60 euros to re-solder the fiber optic cable.
The question is:
Option A I mount the fiber cable through the socket YES or NO I skip doing regattas.
I have three 45 degree turns.
I think that's not recommended for fiber optic cable
Option B
Cut the fiber optic cable and mount the typical thin yellow ones through the socket.
By diameter I think it's more feasible.
Any loss of performance?
It would be about 20 meters.
Currently I have the fiber cable directly to the PC room and from the "rosette" to the modem a 1 meter cable.
If I mount the other cable it would be from the rosette to the modem 20 meters (more or less)
Any cable recommendations?
Regards

[ottoM]

Hello!
The fiber optic cable can't be bent too much, folded, etc., you will lose the signal or it will be bad.
If you want to place it through the socket, the bend angles must be greater than 45 degrees.
Cutting and using normal cables is a bad idea. It's better to install it whole.