MTB bike selection

[Nemo]

I'm not sure if the horns are very professional, but they work great for me to tackle some sections.
Yes, the Endomondo works as you say, from its website you can create routes and then follow them from the mobile, yours or the ones that others have made in your area.
I don't use automatic pedals, but I think it will be the next change I make, they are good because you not only take advantage of the push of the pedal down, but also the one of the leg that goes up... and that is noticeable uphill. That is, if the first two silly falls while standing still, for not having released the cleat, no one can take them away from you ;D.
I think that around these dates they present the models of the new 2013 season, and that promotes a price drop in the 2012 models, it is a good opportunity to buy at a good price, I bought my Conor a year ago around these dates and I saved almost 200€+equipment.

Best regards.

[Alien8]

By parts,

Clipping in to the bike is like ABS or airbags in cars… once you try it, AND YOU GET USED TO IT, you won't let go of it.

As mentioned before, you don't just push down, you also pull (almost unconsciously) up with the other leg, so you use leverage and therefore, much more force with less effort.

At first, being strapped in is scary (even though you can release with a slight twist of the heel), but once you get the hang of it, the security it gives you going down (the bike is perfectly connected to you) and the strength it gives you going up, is unmatched.

I prefer not to use the horns, as they can get caught on branches and stuff if you're going through very dense areas (on bike paths, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think they have many slopes...)

As for reducing weight, with my 162 lbs at 6 ft, it's already hard to lose more weight (at 38, I can see the "tablet"), so I reduce the weight on the bike by using my wallet (as much as I can, of course, it's a bottomless pit).

The most important parts of the bike are the fork, the brakes, and the gears.

If you're serious about MTB, even if it's just on weekends, forget about Suntour. The Rekon, if it's air-powered, is okay, even though it's a bit heavy.

I've seen a SCOTT in the ad you posted that must be a great bike, the one ABOVE the 899€, which has the SID and everything in Shimano XT. You won't regret it if you go for that one, and you wouldn't have to change much over time unless something breaks.

[packosoft]

@Alien8:

I've seen a SCOTT in the ad you posted that has to be a winner, the one ABOVE the 899€, which has the SID and everything in Shimano XT. You won't regret it if you go for that one and you wouldn't have to change much over time unless something breaks.

we've been ripped off, it's not in the photo because it was 2200 euros or something
Is the automatic pedal system standard? I mean, can you change shoes without any problems?

[krampak]

Yes, they are usually all the same and you can always change the cleat of the shoe if it's bad. This week I received my new bike, the other one I had, although it was good (and only the frame of the original components remained) was already 15 years old, it was before my brother... I got a Ditec Cam 1.0XC made of carbon (weight 68kg, animals!) with SID Team fork and full XT (wheels included) except for the derailleur which is XTR. I have only been able to test it for 1 day because I had a slip with the rear disc caliper and I already have it in the workshop XDDD

[packosoft]

and better the only bike shoes with which you walk like a wobbly duck or the ones that are now that look like street shoes and have the cleat integrated into the sole? I saw a pack of shimano with shoes and pedals for 90€ or so

[packosoft]

I think I'll stop by the Decathlon to see if they have any 8.1 on offer and if not I'll go for the Aspect 30, there's always time to change components, right?

[krampak]

There is everything. I personally go with the cycling shoe (the one with the dizzy duck XD) and small pedals for this type of shoe, but there are not only'street' shoes with cleat but also mixed pedals that are like the typical pedal (wider) but with a cleat inside, with these last ones if you catch them for going quietly through the city or whatever you can go with your normal shoes and if you want to do a serious outing you change your shoes and that's it. The most fans will always go with the small one for weight issues, but you can look at that option (at worst there is also an accessory to put the small ones and make them comfortable for the street shoe).
To get good technique with the automatics I recommend that you try to pedal round with one leg for a few minutes and then with the other, you will see how you gain efficiency in pedaling.

[Tecnho]

As I told you, I would take a look at the 2012 range of these COMMENCAL Bicycles, my colleague has a meta am1 and is delighted, but in normal ranges you have from 2012 from 400€ and for 600-800 you find something good for sure.

[Fassou]

@packosoft:

I think I'm going to stop by the decathlon to see if they have any 8.1 on sale and if not, I'll go for the aspect 30, as there's always time to change components, right?

If you buy the Scott Aspect 30 :nono: nothing at all, at least the Aspect 10 (in the previous post I put Scale by mistake).

The Rockrider 8.1, are a good option for beginners, as long as you get it for ~650€ taking advantage of when they change versions, which is what I did when I wanted to initiate "the rib" in MTB routes . That said, they will want to do the maintenance at a gold price ¬¬ and you will need a trusted workshop ( +1 for buying from a store with a workshop).

Regarding the cleats, they will be your best friends when you have to climb something, and after the initial scares, it will be really easy to release your feet when you need to, and in a short time you will develop the reflex to do it instinctively :sisi:. If you have a large or wide foot, better to get mixed pedals, that have cleat and platform, to increase the support of the foot.

And very important, the issue of posture on the bike :sisi:, especially when you put cleats and spend several hours on it, because the back and knees suffer a lot, and with bad postures come injuries and so on.

Salu2!

[Alien8]

The knees only suffer if you have poor development or bad posture.

I am more in favor of cadence than force on the pedals (and I assure you that I am one of those who usually wait at the top for others to arrive...).

I also wear "fine" MTB shoes and I have no problem with them. In fact, the clipless pedals I use are among the lightest (256gr per pair...) and although at some point I may not have the cleats embedded, they hold my foot quite well if I am not being a fool...

Ritchey Paradigm

The 8.1 is already a good machine and you will surely not regret the purchase, but if you find an 8.2 at a good price (they were "liquidating-giving away" for 499€ just a while ago!!!) you make the purchase of the century, since it has components MUCH superior to the 8.1

8.1 - 8.2
Avid Elixir 3 - Avid Elixir 5
Full SRAM X7 - Full SRAM X9
Rock Shox Recon Silver (2.2Kg) - Manitou RSeven Pro (1.5Kg)
Wellgo automatic - Xplod automatic
Standard stem - Alu2014 stem
The frame is made by Kinesis, which is a trusted brand (they also make frames for Giant...)
The rims are from Rígida in both cases, although those of the 8.2 have sealed hubs and straight spokes, that is, they are tough as nails.
(Everything else is practically the same, except for the saddle)

The reason is that the 8.2 disappears from the market to give way to the 8XC Replica, which already has a carbon frame.

[packosoft]

@Fassou:

If you buy the Scott Aspect 30 :nono: nothing at all, at least the Aspect 10 (in the previous post I put Scale by mistake).

The Rockrider 8.1, are a good option to start, as long as you get it for ~650€ taking advantage when they change the version, which is what I did when I wanted to initiate "the rib" in the MTB routes . That said, they will want to do the maintenance at a gold price ¬¬ and you will need a trusted workshop ( +1 to buy in a store with a workshop).

About the cleats, they will be your best friends when you have to climb something, and after the first scares, it will be really easy to release your feet when you need it, and in a short time you will develop the reflex to do it instinctively :sisi:. If you have a large or wide foot, better mixed pedals, that have cleat and platform, to increase the support of the foot.

And very important, the issue of posture on the bike :sisi:, especially when you put cleats and spend several hours on it, because the back and knees suffer a lot, and with bad postures come injuries and so on.

Salu2!

damn, but the aspect 10 costs 50% more than the aspect 30, does that price difference really pay off?

[Fassou]

The Aspect 10 is the minimum, and thinking more about saving than I would like.

If it has to be Scott, I would really think about the Scale 60 or 50, but start by telling us the use you are going to give it, and the terrain you think you will be riding on.

The prices, think of them as when you look at cars, that the official one is one, but if you work it out with the seller, and more so in certain times when they are liquidating stock, or are preparing the order for the versions of the following year, you can get very good discounts :sisi:

Salu2!

PD: Do not pay attention to Alien8, his power-to-weight ratio is another ;D

[packosoft]

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Acabo de dalir del decarton.
La 8.1 del 2011 sale en 499 pero esta agotada la de 2012 sale por 720…
Voy a ver otro que hay aqui cerca. Veis buen precio esos 500€ por la 8.1 del año pasado?

[Fassou]

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SIP :sisi:

¿Tienes clara la talla?

Salu2!

[packosoft]

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@Fassou:

SIP :sisi:

¿Tienes clara la talla?

Salu2!

Creo q es la L la que me toca.
Me da q aqui tampoco tienen la del 2011.
La 9.1 del 2011 la tenian por 829

[packosoft]

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Nada, la de 2011 hiperagota y la de 8.1 de 2012 720€
Entre esta 8.1 y la aspect 10?

[incrediboy]

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@krampak:

Hay de todo. Yo personalmente voy con la zapatilla de ciclismo (la del pato mareado XD) y pedales pequeños para este tipo de zapatilla, pero no solo existen zapatillas 'de calle' con cala sino que también hay pedales mixtos que son como el pedal típico (más ancho) pero con cala en el interior, con éstos últimos si la pillas por ir de tranquis por la ciudad o lo que sea puedes ir con tus zapatillas normales y si quieres hacer alguna salida seria te cambias las zapatillas y listo. Los más aficionados siempre iran con el pequeño por cuestiones de peso, pero puede mirar esa opción (a malas también hay un accesorio para meter a los pequeños y hacerlos cómodos para el zapato de calle).
Para pillar buena técnica con los automáticos te recomiendo que intentes pedalear redondo con una sola pierna durante unos minutos y luego con la otra, verás como ganas eficacia en el pedaleo.

ese pedal lo veo una tonteria, veo mejor llevar el pedal pequeño y unos acoples que venden que se encajan en las calas y transforman el pedal peque en pedal de toda la vida

[Fassou]

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Cuando hablo de mixtos, me refiero a algo tipo Time Roc

Sobre las 9.1, personalmente no me gustan las dobles, aunque los Pro que no pasen de 80kg y 1.80m les saquen mucho partido bajando, y protegiendo su espalda.

Salu2!

PD: Apreta al de la tienda o busca otra mejor, y si tienes un amigo que entienda de bicis, que te acompañe para el tema del regateo :sisi:

[Alien8]

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@packosoft:

Acabo de dalir del decarton.
La 8.1 del 2011 sale en 499 pero esta agotada la de 2012 sale por 720…
Voy a ver otro que hay aqui cerca. Veis buen precio esos 500€ por la 8.1 del año pasado?

La 8.1 de 2011 a 499€ es una "bicoca" (si la encuentras). Igual si preguntas la hay en otros centros y te la pueden mandar al tuyo (como si hace falta pagar los portes).

http://www.decathlon.es/bicicleta-mtb-rockrider-81-2012-id_8168918.html#ancre-detail

720€ RR8.1 2012 cambios full SRAM X7, los frenos Avid Elixir 3 y la horquilla Rock Shox Recon Silver TK 100mm.
699€ Scott Aspect 10 2012, cambios Deore/XT (el desviador Deore y el cambio trasero XT). los frenos Shimano 445 hidráulicos y la horquilla la misma.

Me quedo la SCOTT

Ahora,
499€ con los mismos componentes que la de 2012, pero los colores diferentes.

http://es.bikereserve.com/material/bicicletas-2011/crosscountry/btt-btwin-rockrider-812011.html

… entonces me quedo la 8.1.

[packosoft]

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@Alien8:

Ahora,
499€ con los mismos componentes que la de 2012, pero los colores diferentes.

http://es.bikereserve.com/material/bicicletas-2011/crosscountry/btt-btwin-rockrider-812011.html

… entonces me quedo la 8.1.

eso me ha dicho el tio del decathlon cuando me estaba enumerando los cambios, que si el cromado ahora es azul, que si el no se que ahora es negro, vamos que no compensa los 220€ de diferencia que hay.
Lo de pedir la de 2011, me han dicho (sin mirarlo), que esta agotada en todos los sitios (en el de alcobendas aun tenian el cartel, pero no tenian bicis y en el de San Sebastian de los Reyes no tenian ni los carteles), ahora que si alguien me encuentra una, le recompenso xDDD
Me van a pasar el contacto del hermano de una amiga de una amiga mia que parece que tiene una tienda de bicis en Barajas a ver que tiene.
Realmente el uso va a ser bastante limitado, solo fines de semana y sobre todo por asfalto, por eso decia si compensaba pagar 200€ mas.
Sería como el que pide una configuracion para ofimatica, con un monitor de 22" xDD