Intel Core i7 4770K (Haswell)

[Fassou]

The guys at Tom's Hardware have had a look at the generational change from the 3770k, based on Haswell and socket 1150, highlighting a 7-13% performance improvement in synthetic tests compared to Ivy Bridge, and its new generation of integrated graphics (HD4600).

It seems that its price will be around ~350€ and it will arrive in the last week of May, that is, in June :troll:

Salu2!

Source: Core i7-4770K Gets Previewed

[Wargreymon]

We still have to see the improvement in games with a dedicated GPU and the L2 cache test is strange, because it should double the previous generation. Perhaps the final version will yield more than what is observed there...

As for the GPU, the GT3 is still to be seen, but if the GT2 performs like this, the GT3 will make AMD APUs melt in the laptop market.

[ferelxyx]

The new Intel processor offers 4 cores with 8 processing threads thanks to Hyperthreading, at a speed of 3.5 Ghz (3.9 With Turbo Boost), 8 MB of L3 cache and integrated GT2 or Intel HD 4600 graphics.
It will also support DDR3 memory at 1600 MHz natively.
According to the tests we have seen, the new chip offers a performance per clock cycle superior to its predecessor, the difference is almost the same as the jump from 2700k to 3770K, so we are facing one of the most efficient chips per cycle on the market.
The overall performance is around a 13% improvement over the 3770K, a logical increase and within what was expected in an architecture update.
In addition, it should be noted that its TDP remains below 85W.
The memory bandwidth also offers a substantial improvement over Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge.

chipsets

Z87: high-end motherboards, and will support 6+2 USB 3.0, 8 SATA 6 Gbps, HDMI and DisplayPort outputs, BIOS UEFI and even Thunderbolt

H87: mid-range, with PCI-Express and mini PCI-E ports as appropriate. Digital outputs DVI, HDMI and DP, 4 or 5 SATA 6 Gbps, up to 32 GB of RAM, and we will see it in microATX, mini ITX and ATX motherboards.

Q87: for the bussiness range. We will find it in microATX motherboards, with all kinds of digital video outputs (some will even have VGA), 4 or 6 SATA 6 Gbps, 4 or 6 USB 3.0, and little more.

regards

[andian]

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[fjavi]

@Wargreymon:

We still have to see the improvement in games with a dedicated GPU and the L2 cache test is strange, because it should double the previous generation. Perhaps the final version will yield more than what is observed there...

As for the GPU, the GT3 is still to be seen, but if the GT2 yields like this, the GT3 will make AMD's APUs melt in the laptop market.

The improvement I'm interested in is the OC, it should OC what SB or even a little better, then the IGP thing interests me little, but if now Intel surpasses AMD, I think in a short time AMD will be able to release a better IGP, I don't think Intel, no matter how much it improves, will surpass AMD in integrated graphics, it can surpass its previous generation but it's easy for AMD to surpass it again in its new one.

According to a video I saw, the Haswells yield double the Ivy in IGP talking about Unigine, that is, one gives 8 and the other 17, that's in dx11.

Regards

[Falkemberg]

@fjavi:

The improvement that interests me is the OC, it would have to be as good as SB or even a little better, so the IGP doesn't interest me much, but if Intel surpasses AMD now, I think in a short time AMD will be able to release a better IGP, I don't think Intel will surpass AMD in integrated graphics no matter how much it improves, it can surpass its previous generation but it's easy for AMD to surpass it again in its new one.

According to a video I saw, the Haswells perform twice as well as the Ivys in IGP, talking about Unigine, that is, one gives 8 and the other 17, that's in dx11.

Regards

…but am I the only one who thinks it's such a fiasco with so little improvement in a 500€ platform change?

Do I go from an SB to 4.6ghz to switch to a Haswell for a 20% at most and pay at least 500€ to change? Talking about micro and motherboard only....if the micro is 350€ and the motherboard about 150€ (assuming you don't want a better motherboard....like an Asus deluxe, as it would be to change in my case)....more than 500€........for that improvement I don't see it clear.

[londjy]

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[fjavi]

@Falkemberg:

…but I'm the only one who thinks it's a fiasco so little improvement in a 500€ platform change?

Do I skip from an SB to 4.6ghz to switch to a Haswell for a 20% at most and pay at least 500€ to change? Talking about micro and motherboard only....if the micro comes out for 350€ and the motherboard about 150€ (assuming you don't want a better motherboard....like an Asus deluxe, as it would be to change in my case)....more than 500€........for that improvement I don't see it clear.

I don't know about the others but for me it would be worth it if they price it well, I skip from a x58 and a 920, I gain in temperature, consumption and OC and a platform that will perform better with high-end graphics, more if they put two cards in.

Ivy already perform a little better although they overclock less than SB and I suppose that in Haswell it will be an even better platform therefore in my case it would be worth it.

For those who have SB it won't be worth as much, although it would matter how well you can overclock, if you overclock a lot maybe there will be more people who change an SB for a Haswell.

here everything will depend on what the person uses it for, an SB should still last, if you use it for gaming and put a couple of cards like the Titan, or with monogpu it will last longer, but in my case already skipping from a 45nm CPU to a 22nm one already interests me more.

[Sylver]

I think purchasing power along with needs are the particular indicators of whether the change is worth it or not.

Right now a Sandy or an Ivy cover almost all types of needs in a computer, but there will always be enthusiasts who look for something superior for certain things. There will also be those who think about selling their platform (for example Ivy) and contributing the difference to make the jump to Haswell, that would not be as radical as a direct and bare purchase.

Anyway, it remains to be seen how Haswell is making a niche in the market in general, and certainly there will be many people who wait a long time for the first platform discounts... :troll:

Regards

[Bm4n]

I will wait for the successor of the 2011, changing sandy to haswell is not such a big difference.

[wwwendigo]

@Wargreymon:

There is still a need to see the improvement in games with a dedicated GPU and the L2 cache test is strange, because it should double the previous generation. Perhaps the final version will perform better than what is observed there...

As for the GPU, the GT3 is still to be seen, but if the GT2 performs like this, the GT3 will make AMD APUs melt in the laptop market.

To this we must add its memory controller performance, in that test, far below expectations (but Sandy/Ivy), it is clear that in that engineering sample and with the test board they used, there are many things still to polish.

The bandwidth to memory, plus the bandwidth to L2 (precisely the L2 of the intel is relatively "small" to improve its latency speed, besides having a very large bandwidth) are two points that greatly mark the performance of any platform.

So given that these two points are not working as they should, the logical thing is to take these results as, at least, doubtful to represent the final CPU, something below or well below, depending on how these two characteristics (L2 and memory controller) influence each application.

@Falkemberg:

…but am I the only one who thinks it's a fiasco so little improvement in a 500€ platform change?

I don't know why you say 500€, my change to Sandy cost me just over 300€, not counting of course the resale of parts of my previous PC "core".

CPU about 180€, maybe 200€, a moderately good motherboard for 100€ you can get, and memory… if you come from Sandy/Ivy you already have it (anyway I bought all three elements at the time, for less than 350€, and including "luxuries" like a motherboard with SLI support).

The improvement seen in Tom's tests are more or less equivalent to the jump from Sandy to Ivy, even though something is wrong with that equipment as shown by the memory and L2 bandwidth tests. So if it works perfectly, it will surely increase this difference.

The truth is I don't know what some of you want, it's clear that if you change platforms in each generation you will never see "big jumps", because you don't give time for these to be truly big.

I jumped from a Core Quad to Sandy, and I noticed it and well, even so I don't think I'm one of those who extend their platforms the most, but I also don't join in making "jumps" with little benefit every year.

It's possible that Haswell can offer me something, but if not I will wait for the next generation and that's it, it will be because it doesn't amply fulfill a Sandy with today's applications.

Relax, and first see the real performance, and then if such criticize. And if you don't like it, wait for the next generation, not everything will be giant steps.

[fjavi]

I see these captures of a 4670K and if it could be made stable at 6Ghz with less than 1.30v, I think Haswell would make a good margin over Ivy, at least with a good OC. Image 2 of 17 in forum thread “[ocaholic/wccf] Intel Core i7-4770K Overclocked to 7 GHz – Several Z87 Motherboards Including ASUS Maximus VI Extreme Spotted” Image 16 of 17 in forum thread “[ocaholic/wccf] Intel Core i7-4770K Overclocked to 7 GHz – Several Z87 Motherboards Including ASUS Maximus VI Extreme Spotted” Those are ES, I don't think the K models allow that much multiplier, also the 7Ghz one went over the top with the voltage, but the 5ghz and 1v or the 6200 and 1.21v look good, although we still have to see the voltage later to make them stable, which might require raising the voltage quite a bit if you want to keep it running 24/7. saludos

[cobito]

I can't wait to see how they perform. This summer I'll have to build a PC and if they arrive on time, I'll put an i5 4570 in it. Let's see how that integrated HD4600 performs.

By the way, I read somewhere that the most advanced model in the HD5000 range would come with dedicated memory integrated into the chip :rollani:

[fjavi]

@cobito:

I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform. This summer I'll have to build a PC and if they arrive on time, I'll put an i5 4570 in it. Let's see how that integrated HD4600 performs.

By the way, I read somewhere that the most advanced model in the HD5000 range would come with dedicated memory integrated into the chip :rollani:

They talk about different integrated models, but it seems that the HD5200 will have dedicated memory and will be the most powerful, it seems it could be for a laptop or an all-in-one, maybe an HTPC, here it says which ones will have.

To me it almost seems better that the Ks didn't have integrated IGPs, but we won't see that, because Intel wants everything integrated, the good thing would be that all models could be overclocked and the IGP could be blocked for OC, they would get tired of selling i3s and cheap processors.

Intel Haswell Graphics GT3E/GT3U/GT2/GT1.5 IGPs - CHW

regards

[Sylver]

These from Intel… Their intention was already seen with that plan of processors soldered to the board :eoh:
For now I remain expectant, I have to amortize the 2500K...
When they bring an integrated HD5850 we'll talk... :troll:
Greetings :ugly:

[Jotole]

@Sylver:

These Intel ones... They already showed their intentions with that plan of processors soldered to the board :eoh:
I'm staying on the sidelines for now, I have to depreciate the 2500K...
When they bring an integrated HD5850 we'll talk... :troll:

Regards :ugly:

Honestly, I don't think that with current processors anyone would be interested in changing to this 4770K, unless you're going to push extreme OC for benching. Or you sell yours very well and you feel like trying a new one. But for performance we have processors for a while...

Salu2...

[fjavi]

@Jotole:

Honestly, I don't think that with current processors anyone would be interested in switching to this 4770K, unless you're going to push extreme OC for benchmarking. Or you sell yours very well and you feel like trying a new one. But for performance we have processors for a while...

Regards...

I don't think it's necessary to change an SB for a haswell but if they go up like in those screenshots you'll see how many people will switch, because if they can really reach 6Ghz many people will see them as more attractive, although we have to wait to see how much they actually go up, but if they make those 6ghz you'll see how even people with ivy will switch.

Interesting about haswell's VRM, the only thing is that by putting the VRM on the CPU the TDP has gone up.

http://sinhardware.com/index.php/blog/314-haswellfivr

regards

[Fassou]

The reviews seem to indicate that it is a product that improves some things, but it's not that great.

Better integrated graphics, improvements for video editing, file compression and AES encryption, the incorporation of vPro, and in terms of OC, the possibility (using the right motherboard) to overclock each core separately.

Salu2!

[wwwendigo]

@Fassou:

The reviews seem to indicate that it is a product that improves some things, but it's not that great.

Better integrated graphics, improvements for video editing, file compression and AES encryption, the incorporation of vPro, and in terms of OC, the possibility (using the appropriate board) to overclock each core separately.

Salu2!

Emmm… I think the most important improvement outside of slightly increasing IPC is the incorporation of AVX2 plus the improvement in AVX performance thanks to the increase in communication buses with the caches.

In OC, there really is no novelty, the limits are very similar to the ones already existing with Ivy in frequencies, which places it below Sandy in OC potential, and takes away part of the performance gain from its better IPC, in that sense it takes away the interest in users who do not have at least a lynnfield to upgrade, and possibly in a sensible way it would be to upgrade from older or slower CPUs.

The thing about vPro I swear has been around for a while, but just in the K CPUs it doesn't work (disabled), and with haswell as far as I know it remains exactly the same, that is, without it. Idem with the issue of instructions to accelerate AES, they were already in previous CPUs, in fact the performance is better but in a similar proportion to all the improvements seen in other programs (better IPC).

The thing about different OC per core I don't know what you mean, it would be interesting to have some link to see about the topic.

Really most of the strong improvements are in products other than the K CPUs, in the laptops and the desktop ones in BGA format like the "R" CPUs (for now one is confirmed).

The issue of the "Iris" graphics configuration is very interesting, but especially because of the "Iris Pro", with the more powerful GPU and the inclusion of the 128 MB of eDRAM in the same package, giving performance in the laptop CPUs very close to that of a GT 650M, which is very interesting as it is a new milestone in integrated graphics.

I quote the Iris Pro thing because besides the graphics, there is the issue that the eDRAM will also be used as a new level of cache for the CPU, a kind of L4 that would work as a victim cache, which could give performance peaks in certain types of programs with large data sets but some locality, very interesting (said from the CPU side).

It's a shame that the issue of eDRAM is limited to CPUs that are not the typical desktop ones, since it could give an extra push of performance precisely to the CPUs that have the most power.

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