Battle of the titans "780 ti Vs 290x" first results.
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If this TI version really means "Ends Burned".
A shame how my eVGA 780 SC ACX has been devalued, but with how well it's running, I think I'll stick with this graphics card for a while. I haven't had anything quieter than this and with the good OC margin.
The important thing is that you have a good graphics card, cool to the touch and quiet, plus now it's not so expensive, as for the Ti, well if some have come out faulty what surprises me is that they don't blow up the ones from overclocked.net or ELP3 with the stick they're giving them, if they were like the 590 there would already have to be many cases around the world.
The network is going very fast to say the Ti problem but very slow to say the black screens and crashes of the R9-290x, if that was quick even to criticize the adaptive vsync when they had just put it into the driver, but to say that the normal vsync doesn't work since the catalyst nothing.
We should be informed quickly for whatever the manufacturer is, that's why I end up not believing what is said until I see a case of people I know, anyway let's see if with the bad publicity these Ti prices go down.
regards
They have arrived!!!
They are here!!
My TITAN DestroysTI.. hehe
As always with many leak problems..but well, solved..
EVGA TITAN SC 1335MHZ:
Then if that, I take it to 1400MHZ…;D
Regards.
Don't get too excited there are few Titans left, because in the end the Titan will continue to be the best Nvidia card.
Although something strange happens with the Ti for the performance with OC not to be noticed so much, they should perform a little better at the same clock, it seems that something has been capped because it's strange.
regards
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Hello!
My first post on hardlimit
I leave you my result in 3dmark11 and the ti at 1323/1945 (the memos still go up quite a bit more, the core without being able to increase voltages I think will go up little more)
Greetings!
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Buenas!
Mi primer post en hardlimit
Os dejo mi resultado en el 3dmark11 y la ti a 1323/1945 (las memos aún suben bastante más, el core sin poder subir voltajes creo que poco más subirá)
Saludos!
En mi opinión,a pesar de ser un resultado BRUTAL para no poder subir mas de 1,21V a la 780Ti.No te dá tan buen escalado como la TITAN precisamente por falta de voltaje estable.
A 1323MHZ debería dar mas que esos 6130 puntos de Gráficos,que es realmente lo importante pues la suma de todo lo hace el 6 cores..
No obstante,es un resultado genial,para ser una 780TI que ahora mismo está limitada en estos temas..por eso entre otros motivos sigo prefieriendo TITAN ahora mismo.
Saludos
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In my opinion, despite being a BRUTAL result for not being able to go above 1.21V on the 780Ti.No it gives you as good a scaling as the TITAN precisely because of the lack of stable voltage.
At 1323MHZ it should give more than those 6130 points in Graphics, which is really what matters because the sum of everything is what the 6 cores do..
Nevertheless, it is a great result, for being a 780TI that is currently limited in these aspects.. that is one of the reasons why I still prefer the TITAN right now.
Regards
Yes, the truth is that it should give something more, but well, to have an asic of 72.4% it goes up pretty well, like yours of 70%, I would like to see one with an asic of 85 or higher to see how it goes with stock voltages...
I already have the second one ordered, this time I will try my luck with an EVGA SC, the one I have now is Gigabyte and from what I have seen most of the gigas (not to say all so far) do not go above 77% asic, besides the fact that it seems that EVGA is not affected by the defective batches that are mentioned above.
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DICE Rep states "Mantle is awesome, but it will burn AMD's cards up due to the horrible manufacturing. We are having issues with 'em dying."
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Well... you can tell when the ASICs are there...
THIS SLI MASTER I've managed to get... IS AMAZING
1400MHZ in SLI!!! from TITAN:
Honestly... impressive.
And to think that before, I had to put even more voltage, to do 1300MHZ on a single one that was 73% ASIC...
Playing around with 4 WAY;
Xtreme 3D Mark 11:
P.D.1375v is not really what was being applied, what happened is that I messed around with the zaru and it was applied to one of them. I was using 1,29V for the good ones and 1,335 for the less good ones.
Firestrike X:
Best regards.
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Don't look at the Titans and the 780Ti doesn't seem to be lame either, but doing it with two almost 1400s is a joke.
The Ti's do allow for custom ones in the end I think they're going to put two 8 pin connectors and one 6 pin, seeing that Pcb from above that says Pirate it's clear that the Pcb would already support another 8 pin connector, although they haven't put it in.
Maybe that's why it performs less, but once they make them perform I think those are going to go up very well and also perform as they should.
regards
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I was not far off when I predicted 1400 on those titans…............. ;). Of course, at those frequencies and with the gain that titans have with OC, you have cards for a long time....:ugly: Salu2... -
Do you remember when the TITAN was about to be released, the fake leaks from chiphell making a supposed TITAN with more than 6500 points in the graphics score of 3D Mark 11 in extreme?
Well, look at that, it's going to be true after all...;)
1421MHZ…that's as far as I go, I don't want to fry my graphics card..but the increase is absolutely proportional...40% frequency, a result of more than 40% over stock (you have to add the memory)...it's already giving much more than 690 or SLIs of GTX 680 oceados at maximum..incredible..
Regards.
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And this one with the Gtx 780 HOF that gives it more than 6900 xDHow much will she have it raised for that??
Greetings!
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And this one with the Gtx 780 HOF that gives it more than 6900 xD
How much will it have it overclocked for that??
Saludos!
Well man…considering that it's the first in the world,it's a group of reputable professional Chinese overclockers,and that galaxy gave him paste to beat the world record under LN2..I calculate that at least it will be at 1700-1800MHZ of core...way too much we say.
Moreover,many say that the best nvidia graphics are the 780 HOF from galaxy for doing things like this..but of course,air-water is one thing.And LN2 to the hilt and without caring about messing it up because it's not yours,is another...;)
Saludos.
P.D:I didn't get it wrong much...1850MHZ!!!
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Do you remember when the TITAN was about to be released, the fake leaks from chiphell making a supposed TITAN with more than 6500 points in the graphics score of 3D Mark 11 in extreme?
Well, look what happens, that in the end, it's going to be true and all..;)
1421MHZ…from there, I don't go..I don't feel like frying my graphics card..but the increase is absolutely proportional...40% frequency, a result of more than 40% over stock (you have to add the memories)...it's already giving much more than 690 or SLIs of GTX 680 oceados at maximum..incredible..
Best regards.
How do you master the unlock voltage now, ELP3, hehe :p:p:p
The Titan are great cards, but once they unlock the Ti, it's going to be a beast, because they do the same clocks or even better than the Titan when these couldn't be unlocked...
Pass me a firestrike to the sli with maximum oc, let's see how much you surpass me...
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How do you master the unlock voltage now, ELP3, hehe :p:p:p
The Titans are great cards, but once they unlock the Ti, it's going to be a beast, because they do the same clocks or even better than the Titans when these couldn't be unlocked...
Pass me a firestrike to the sli with maximum oc, let's see how much you surpass me...
Right now I'm with the 4 stuck in the Ivy and it doesn't allow me to oc freely the two, and firestrike in general and perfomace in particular, is totally bandwidth.La the difference in core is minimal, and if very important what was said above. It would be better to see it in extreme..
But anyway, here it is:
They touched the ceiling of spending more than 150 in the power limit, even with that, so I imagine the frequencies have dropped.. in the first test it's clearly seen, what I don't know very well is to what extent..
However, this result in Extreme, I think is more appropriate:
And man.. I was disconnected from this unlock thing, but one has never been bad at oc-ing..:ugly:
Best regards and thanks.
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Right now I'm with the 4 punctures on the Ivy and it doesn't allow me to oc freely the two, and firestrike in general and perfomace in particular, it's totally a bandwidth.La difference of core is minimal, and if very important what was said above. It would be yours to see it in extreme..
But well, here it is:
They have touched anyway and all ceiling of spending of more than 150 in the power limit, so I imagine it will have lowered frequencies.. in the first test it is clearly seen, what I don't know very well is to what..
However, this result in Extreme, if I see it more appropriate:
And man.. I was disconnected from this of the unlock, but one has never been bad at oc..:ugly:
Best regards and thanks.
Very good result, pushing them to the limit… The 780ti do it without added voltage, which means they are surely throttling. That's what I tell you, as soon as these beasts can go a little further, it will be seen that they are some brown beasts...
Regarding overclocking, I was joking with you, man. Sometimes, due to life circumstances you can't be into everything, it's normal. And for that, precisely, there are colleagues/companions of the moment who can help one.
Regards and thanks to you for your collaboration...
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Lo importante es que tienes una buena grafica, fresca oceadora y silenciosa, además ahora ya no es tan cara, lo de la Ti pues si algunas han salido rana lo que me extraña es que no les revienten a los de overclocked. net o a ELP3 con la caña que les están dando, si fueran como la 590 ya tendría que haber muchos casos en todo el mundo.
La red va muy deprisa para decir el problema de la Ti pero muy lenta para decir las pantallas negras y bloqueos de las R9-290x, si es que fueron rapidos hasta para criticar el vsync adaptativo cuando lo acababan de meter al driver, pero de decir que no funciona el vsync normal desde el catalyst nada.
Vamos que se debería informar rápido para todo sea el que sea el fabricante, yo por eso termino no creyendo lo que se dice hasta que vea un caso de gente que conozco, de todas formas a ver si con la mala publicidad bajan esas Ti de precio.
saludos
No te entusiasmes tanto que ya quedan pocas Titan, por que al final la Titan va a seguir siendo la mejor tarjeta de Nvidia.
Aunque algo raro ocurre con las Ti para que no se note tanto el rendimiento con OC, pues deberían rendir un poco mejor a igual clock, parece que algo han capado por que es raro.
saludos
También es raro que un sitio con un nivel técnico y de seriedad como es CHW, siempre neutral y conocedor al detalle de cada problema, que nunca deja pasar una sea cual sea la marca, sea la que se haga eco de estos casos y no otros como los que mencionas.
[mode ironic OFF]
A mí lo que me hace coña es ver cómo se explica que es un problema que ha tenido UN FABRICANTE al cambiar algunos componentes del diseño de referencia por su CUENTA Y RIESGO, y se pasa a decir que todas las GTX 780 Ti tienen "problemas" en las fases, siendo como es un diseño netamente, no superior, sino lo siguiente a las 290/X con sus más que flojas fases de regulación (6 señores, 6 en total).
Después de meses de negacionismo seguido de las unidades fallidas de 7870, sí, las de sapphire, insistiendo sites como ése mencionado y foros varios (sus foreros, más bien) que ese problema no era real, que ya estaba parcheado, y con datos objetivos como éstos:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/911-5/cartes-graphiques.html
Donde podemos leer partes tan interesantes como:
- 12,67% Sapphire Radeon HD 7850
- 7,44% Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 OC V2
- 7,41% Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 OC V1
- 7,02% Sapphire HD 7950 With Boost (11196-16)
- 6,09% ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5
- 5,82% Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 V1
- 5,65% Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 V2
- 5,30% Gainward GeForce GTX 670
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Si on s'intéresse aux chiffres par GPU nous obtenons :
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Radeon HD 7850 : 3,74%
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Radeon HD 7870 : 5,48%
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Radeon HD 7870 XT : 4,25%
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Radeon HD 7950 : 5,75%
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Radeon HD 7970 : 5,31%
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GeForce GTX 660 : 1,01%
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GeForce GTX 660 Ti : 2,81%
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GeForce GTX 670 : 2,87%
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GeForce GTX 680 : 1,99%
Donde podemos ver que los problemas puntuales y ya arreglados no son tales (versiones V2), que además estos problemas masivos se presentan también en las 7850, y en la serie 7900 tampoco está libre de ratios de fallos muy elevados (un 5,75% de RMAs en un año de control de componentes es MUCHO).
En fín, en todos sitios cuecen habas, pero me gustaría ver menos escandalera montada por un fallo puntual de un fabricante y que ha afectado a unas pocas unidades, y que sí se critique más los fallos masivos vistos en modelos como los aquí listados, que todo el mundo que las tiene dice que son una maravilla y que no presentan problemas, pero los hilos de pantallazos y las estadísticas de RMAs dicen lo contrario.
¿Alguien recuerda cuando desde otro sitio tan serio como CHW se empezó a decir (y por supuesto CWH "rebotó" la noticia como site serio que es) que las GTX 680/670 estaban con un fallo de diseño masivo y que se iban a llamar a todas a fábrica por esto?
Eso fue a principios del verano del 2012, y corrieron ríos de tinta de críticas contra nvidia basadas en… un site desconocido con fuentes "fiabilísimas" (según ellos), pero secretas. Ya vemos cómo va el cotarro.
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Very good result, pushing them to the limit… The 780ti does it without added voltage, which means they are surely throttling. That's what I'm saying, as soon as these beasts can go a little further, it will be seen that they are some brown beasts...
Regarding overclocking, I was joking with you, man. Sometimes, due to life circumstances, one cannot be everywhere, it's normal. And for that, precisely, there are colleagues/companions of the moment who can help one.
Regards and thanks to you for your collaboration...
The thing is that the 780 Ti do not currently allow either voltage unlocking or maximum TDP, so they suffer throttling and cannot go beyond stock voltages plus the minimum plus that nvidia allows (which is equally impressive, running at 1300 stock).
So it's clear that the potential is there, now we will have to wait for modified BIOS as has happened before, and with waits of many months, so I think that with the Ti this wait will not be so long (something has been learned along the way unlocking limits in the BIOS of their sisters), but it will not appear overnight (unless something has appeared these days and I have not noticed, I am a bit disconnected from the topic, jajaja).
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The issue is that the 780 Ti does not currently allow voltage or maximum TDP unlocking, so they suffer from throttling and cannot go beyond stock voltages plus the minimum plus that NVIDIA allows (which is equally impressive, running at 1300 stock).
So it's clear that the potential is there, now we'll have to wait for modified BIOS as has happened before, and with waits of many months, so I think that with the Ti this wait won't be so long (something has been learned along the way unlocking limits in the BIOS of their sisters), but it won't appear overnight (unless something has appeared these days and I haven't noticed, I'm a bit disconnected from the topic, jajaja).
There are already modified BIOS.
In fact, both ConanR, Vmanuel and even I myself are using them. They nullify the boost, give more TDP and allow voltage-
All the captures you've seen in these last posts of the 780Ti are from modified BIOS that allow you to raise voltage up to 1,21V, give more TDP, nullify boost and not enter throttling.
What is being waited for is the voltage unlock of the MSI as I have in the TITAN to give more voltage and at least reach 1,3V which should make them go up without problems up to 1400MHZ or more.. but I do see a problem and also, if you notice for the first time in a long time there is no professional overclocker who has beaten any record with them officially. And it is perhaps, due to their very high cost... the reference phases despite having been modified, maybe are not prepared to endure what can come their way.
I certainly if I had Ti and the unlock came out, I wouldn't think of overclocking them with extra voltage without a good RL...
I don't see it as normal, as I comment, that no overclocker or brand, has not already sponsored some record-breaking event and especially when the graphics card has just come out and it's interesting to attract attention. Something must be going on that is more complicated than we thought at first..
Regards.
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It is also strange that a site with a technical level and seriousness like CHW, always neutral and knowledgeable about every problem in detail, which never lets any pass by regardless of the brand, is the one that covers these cases and not others like the ones you mention.
[mode ironic OFF]
What amuses me is how they explain that it is a problem that one manufacturer had when changing some components of the reference design at their OWN RISK, and they move on to say that all GTX 780 Ti have "problems" in the phases, when it is a design that is clearly not superior, but the next to the 290/X with their more than weak regulation phases (6 gentlemen, 6 in total).
After months of denialism followed by the failed units of the 7870, yes, the ones from Sapphire, sites like the one mentioned and various forums (their forum members, rather) insisted that this problem was not real, that it was already patched, and with objective data like these:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/911-5/cartes-graphiques.html
Where we can read interesting parts like:
Where we can see that the punctual and already fixed problems are not such (V2 versions), that these massive problems also appear in the 7850, and the 7900 series is not free of very high failure rates (a 5.75% of RMAs in a year of component control is A LOT).
In short, everyone is cooking beans, but I would like to see less scandal made about a punctual failure of a manufacturer that has affected a few units, and that the massive failures seen in models like the ones listed here are criticized more, which everyone who has them says are wonderful and do not present problems, but the threads of crashes and RMA statistics say otherwise.
Does anyone remember when from another site as serious as CHW they started saying (and of course CWH "reposted" the news as a serious site as it is) that the GTX 680/670 had a massive design flaw and that they were going to call them all back to the factory for this?
That was in the beginning of the summer of 2012, and rivers of ink of criticism against NVIDIA were written based on... an unknown site with "very reliable" sources (according to them), but secret. We can see how the situation is going.
I remember when some red screens of death appeared, the situation always gets blown out of proportion and I think it's good that they report any problem, but they should report everything, the driver that burns the graphics is like a snowball, curiously I have several cards with all the drivers including beta and they have not killed a single one, in the end there comes a point where I don't even pay attention, I learn much more by reading forums and users especially if they are known, than by reading news.
It's like the press or television, they only count what their news agency tells them, they all say the same thing, and that agency counts only what interests them, that's why in the end they make you not believe anything.
regards
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If I remember when some red screens of death, things always get blown out of proportion and I think it's good that they report any problems, but they report everything, the graphics driver is like a snowball, curiously I have a few cards and I put all the drivers including beta and they haven't killed me a single time, in the end there comes a point where I don't even pay attention, I find out much more by reading forums and users especially if they are known, than by reading news.
It's like the press or television, they only count what their news agency tells them, they all count the same thing, and that agency counts only what interests them, that's why in the end they make you not believe anything.
saludos
That week I was "arguing" with a writer from CHW about the reason for the non-existence of any material about the BS and other problems presented in Hawaii. His explanation is that he waits for an official note from AMD, I deduce that he waits for AMD's permission or instructions ON which to publish about the topic.
A friend installed the latest CAT BETA and went through the BS trying to play BF4… He tried it after each forced reset of the machine... until the VGA wouldn't start up anymore.. His GA - HD 7970 GHZ is dead waiting for transport for RMA...
