Battle of the titans "780 ti Vs 290x" first results.
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There are already modified bios.
In fact, both ConanR, Vmanuel and even I myself are using them. They cancel the boost, give more TPD and support voltage-
All the captures you have seen in these last posts of the 780Ti are from modified bios that allow you to increase voltage up to 1.21V, give more TPD, cancel boost and not enter throttling.
What is being waited for is the voltage unlock of the MSI as I have in the TITAN to give more voltage and at least reach 1.3V which should make them go up without problems up to 1400MHZ or more.. but I do see a problem and also, if you notice for the first time in a long time there is no professional overcloker who has beaten any record with them officially. And it is perhaps, due to their very high expense… the reference phases despite having been modified, maybe are not prepared to withstand what can come their way.
I certainly if I had TI and the unlock came out, I wouldn't think of overclocking them with extra voltage without a good RL...
I don't see it normal as I comment, that no overcloker or brand, has not already sponsored some record-breaking event and especially when the graphics card has just come out to the market and it is interesting to attract attention. Something must be going on that is more complicated than we thought at first..
Regards.
Hello guys.
It must also be taken into account how many months the Titan was on the market until they unlocked the voltage… Before going above 1225 was quite difficult...
With the 780ti it will happen a bit the same..
Greetings to all.
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Hello guys.
You also have to take into account how many months the Titan was on the market before they unlocked the voltage... Before, going over 1225 was pretty hard...
The 780ti will be a bit the same..
Greetings to all.
Of course..it's clear that the B2 steeping is different and they raise much more stock.
But I don't see that real gain of +300MHZ in the core as effective in % as in the case of the TITAN. Maybe it's because of lack of voltage...
And then, what really bugs me is that no record has been beaten yet with them through volt-mod..it makes me think that maybe raising the voltage is more complicated than in their sisters. Maybe it has some kind of OCP implemented in hardware or whatever...
By the way, my last blunders with a single card at 1398MHZ...
Unigine valley (it's pure bandwidth too, but it's not bad..)
Unigine heaven:
I hope to get a response from the TIs...;)
Regards.
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If I remember when some screens of death were red, things always get blown out of proportion and I think it's good that they report any problem, but they report everything, the graphics driver is like a snowball, curiously I have several cards and I put all the drivers including beta and they haven't killed a single one, in the end there comes a point where I don't even pay attention, I learn much more by reading forums and users especially if they are known, than by reading news.
It's like the press or television, they only tell what their news agency tells them, they all tell the same thing, and that agency tells only what interests them, that's why in the end they make you not believe anything.
saludos
Well, you've given a great example, and possibly without realizing it.
The issue of "red screens" wasn't what many were saying by making a scandal. With red screens nothing died and, beyond having to restart or at most turn off and on, nothing else happened.
This problem was due to... guess what. Versions of GPU-z pre-release to Kepler, used a way of accessing BIOS registers "at a fixed pitch", accessing the range of memory addresses reserved for interacting with the BIOS (mainly reading, but not only), and therefore when changing the position of some of these addresses or the registers and data they pointed to within the BIOS, it resulted in an "illegal access" to the BIOS of the Kepler graphics and as a result said red screen.
But nothing more than an off and on problem, at most. Of course every time you used an outdated version of GPU-z, it happened again. But... not a single problem with the hardware or a problem with the drivers, a pure and hard problem of how a program happily accessed the BIOS assuming that everything was the same as in Fermi and previous chips. But it wasn't.
You see how serious and how evil NVIDIA is with their drivers and poorly designed graphics, how provoked, all the dust you would have seen then about this issue, was pure fiction.
About graphics and drivers that kill cards, it's another story, I've seen many cases with that "accusation" that border on the ridiculous, to the point of users with brand new graphics cards that "die" when trying a 3D game for the first time (meaning they came damaged from the factory or the store, nothing more), and seeing how the user raves about the NVIDIA driver that supposedly killed the card (supposedly) since it had it installed for a while BEFORE trying the graphics in 3D, but quickly uninstalled it for a "safe" version of the driver and still... surely it had been the driver that killed the card. While in 2D and for a little while. XD
If that story were true, I would have gone bad having intensive sessions with these drivers and games, with the card overclocked, TDP unleashed, same with voltage, etc. That is, no, there are typical failures of defective units or simply bad luck, but many people invent stories for who knows what, to justify some of their own mistakes?
I haven't seen this said so cheerfully about any AMD driver, and with the 12.11 there were a thousand stability and graphic artifact problems, and you see the RMA ratios in the distributors I mentioned before, the data says that GCN fail significantly more, which doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, but if there were drivers that killed cards and the red screens were as important as some say, then RMA ratios would be higher.
That week I was "arguing" with a writer from CHW about the reason for the lack of material on the BS and other problems presented in the Hawaii. His explanation is that he waits for an official note from AMD, I deduce that he waits for permission from AMD or instructions ON what to publish about the topic...
A friend installed the latest CAT BETA and went through the BS trying to play BF4... He tried it after each forced reset of the machine... until the VGA wouldn't start anymore... His GA - HD 7970 GHZ is dead waiting for transport for RMA...
Well, these people at CHW had no qualms about publishing rumors of "failures" with NVIDIA graphics at the time, it seems they pay homage to some manufacturers and for those they don't, they do the dirty work for those who do.
I don't believe the BS story, you see everything in God's vineyard, but I do want those who report to do so truthfully, not inventing police novels but also not denying well-analyzed data. I see too many examples of these two extremes in the "technical press".
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Obviously we all know the editorial line of CHW.. and it also makes sense, because let's not forget that it is aimed at South American countries, where access to Nvidia graphics and Intel processors is absolutely prohibitive for 90% of the usarios.No I honestly don't know what this is due to.. I suppose it's tariffs, taxes, fluctuations or who knows.. AMD, however, is much more affordable, not to mention the only reasonably payable in those parts...
And they logically, besides being a simple pamphlet in a network format of rumors and press news, put what they know will report more visits and more money... neither more nor less...
It happens everywhere.
Right here, we have thousands of AMD followers in Spain. However, sales in our country of the new R9 are very low compared to the GTX 780 and I would even dare to say the 780Ti.. because perhaps those who buy the latter are not spending all day giving it their all on the internet...
Normally, the Nvidia customer and the AMD customer in the high range, are usually not the same in age, experience, or even in purchasing power.. it's sad to say this, but it's true. Another thing is the official gadget enthusiasts who don't care about 8 or 80...
Best regards.
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Of course.. it's clear that the B2 steeping is different and they raise much more stock.
But I don't see that real gain of +300MHZ in the core as effective in % as in the case of the TITAN. Maybe it's because of lack of voltage..
And then, what really bugs me is that no record has been beaten yet with them through volt-mod.. it makes me think that maybe raising voltage is more complicated than in their sisters. It might also have some kind of OCP implemented in hardware or whatever..
By the way, my last blunders with a single card at 1398MHZ…
Unigine valley (it's pure bandwidth too, but it's not bad..)
Unigine heaven:
I hope to get a response from the TIs..;)
Regards.
The 780ti lacks voltage, a bios mod revision and another of the nvidia drivers to give it their all. The sli performance at 1265 would be in graphics for sure in 21000 upwards in the firestrike…
I was testing the bios from skyn3t and it doesn't convince me. I'll go back to the one from svl7, which doesn't make artifacts. Then I'll run a bench of the unigine to see if I can make a decent note and get close to your oc, hehe...
Greetings..
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The 780ti lacks voltage, a bios mod revision and another of the nvidia drivers to give it its all. The sli performance at 1265 would be in graphics sure at 21000 or above in the firestrike…
I was testing the bios from skyn3t and it doesn't convince me. I'll go back to the one from svl7, which doesn't make artifacts. Then I'll run a benchmark from unigine to see if I'm able to make a decent note and get close to your oc, hehe...
Greetings..
I didn't notice anything strange in the one from skynet. I attribute the artifacts to the memories being very tight or even the core.
At the same frequency doesn't the one from svl7 do it? this one has less TPD than the other..
Greetings.
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I didn't notice anything strange in the skynet one. I attribute the artifacts to the memories being very tight or even the core.
At the same frequency, doesn't the svl7 do it? This one has less TPD than the other..
Best regards.
Both the svl7 and the skyn3t are the first versions of the 780ti.
In the coming months we will see new versions of the assemblers to work on, and they will do their own revisions..
Right now, and it's being corroborated by other users, the svl7 bios, although it doesn't allow as much power target, is more stable and doesn't produce artifacts at the maximum overclock of the card at 1.21v.
We'll see how things evolve, and whether it's possible to unlock the voltage soon...
Best regards.
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Both the svl7 and skyn3t are the first versions of the 780ti.
In the coming months we will see new versions of the assemblers to work on, and they will do their own reviews.
Right now, and it is being corroborated by other users, the svl7 bios, although it does not allow as much power target, is more stable and does not produce artifacts at the maximum overclock of the card at 1.21v.
We will see how things evolve, and whether it is possible to unlock the voltage soon.
Best regards.
Honestly, I like the slv7 bios better because they are more neutral than the Skynet ones. But of course, both in the 780Ti and in the TITAN this is true, with overvoltage, I am limited by the TPD. And the slv7s cap that sooner.. but they really go finer if.
Best regards to you too..;)
P.D. And already to play eh? you can't live on firestrike.. or at least, we can't..jeje
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wwwendigo, I know it was either GPU-Z or Everest or AIDA, that we had to use a newer one, but the news was red screen of death, all very sensationalist.
Now there are many R9s affected by black screens, they don't die but it's annoying, the thing with the flickering in videos or similar things, that's not given as news and you see people suffering from it in the forums, although mine happened in the 7000 series.
None are free of faults, I know someone whose 780 died after two days, some 770s have come out with problems for having such fast memory and they give graphic faults in games, there's always something defective whether it's graphics or motherboards, but if there are few cases then it's not worth giving importance, if you already see many cases that's when you should be careful.
I leave here the Topic that they will tell us something.
Greetings
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Well, after the EVGA SC turned out to be a dud, today I received a GB to pair with the other one I already had, and after messing around with them, SLI at 1310-1980:
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Well, after the EVGA SC turned out to be a frog, today I received a GB to pair with the other one I already had, messing around with them, SLI at 1310-1980:
Congratulations.. the truth is that 1310MHZ with two in the air is admirable..
But you still have a little way to go to catch up with my TITANs...;)
Best regards.
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Yes, a piece up to your titan, but few like yours are there
So much power to then find games like AC4 that don't even use half the graphics xD
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Si, a piece up to your titan, but few like yours are there
So much power for then to find games like AC4 that don't even use half the graphics xD
For me, AC4 uses the 780 very well, sometimes putting it at more than 90% with vsync, although at the beginning of the game it was very unstable, what I did was put the executable in the driver, because with Steam or Origin Uplay sometimes don't recognize the executables well, I put adaptive Vsync and triple buffer from the driver and put HT to the CPU that had it without HT and it improved a lot, now it's playable pretty well, although sometimes it doesn't maintain 60fps but it's rare that it goes below 55.
It's also strange that the EVGA with 85% ASIC turned out to be a frog, I suppose that some may not comply but I think that most with better ASIC usually overclock better and have a higher boost from the factory, at least with 780 and Titan also with 600 series it usually complies.
regards
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It's been a while since I checked for new bios, but there must be something, here's one that got over 9400 points in graphics score on a 780ti in 3dmark11 extreme: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3930K Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. RAMPAGE IV EXTREME Best regards! Edit: and I'll take this opportunity, this time both at 1320-1975
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It's been a while since I checked for new bios, but there must be something, here's one that got over 9400 points in graphics score on a 780ti in 3dmark11 extreme:
Saludos!
Edito: and I'll take this opportunity, this time both at 1320-1975
Disculpa… de donde has conseguido la bios modificada?? techpower
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Disculpa… de donde has conseguido la bios modificada?? techpower
Supongo que de aquí, debes elegir el modelo tuyo veo una EVGA SC ACX esta
GTX 780 EVGA SC ACX
80.80.30.00.80esa supongo que debes elegir.
[Official] NVIDIA GTX 780 Ti Owner's Club
pero debes elegir según tu modelo.
saludos
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I guess from here, you should choose the model you see an EVGA SC ACX here
EVGA SC ACX GTX 780
80.80.30.00.80that I guess you should choose.
[Official] NVIDIA GTX 780 Ti Owner's Club
but you should choose according to your model.
regards
Thanks fjavi I'm thinking about trying svl7's modified bios to see how it goes? to see if I can reach 1300 well.
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Well, now that you've reminded me about the modified bios, I thought of overclocking to the max voltage, which can give one of my TITANs and the truth is, it's still surprising, although obviously that voltage while maintaining very good core and VRM temps is not at all advisable, but for testing the limit I found this:
It's a unigine in Preset X.. that is, not at 1080p, but at 1600X900… a very low resolution, but that doesn't make the result any less surprising, it simply crushes any existing monogpu and surpasses duals without too many problems.. I keep being surprised by these TITANs. And of course I look forward to, although honestly every day I doubt it more, that this soft-mod can reach the 780Ti to see then what they are really capable of without going to those bestial Kinping edition ones etc.. Regards.
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You beat me by 20 or 25% in that benchmark, I run it with OC 100% stable for gaming, without touching voltage, with conservative OC I don't touch voltage or power target, yesterday I was playing Crysis 3 at 1254 MHz and the graphics card holds up perfectly, but here I do more conservative OC, I know that in that benchmark it influences the SP and the factory power and it's difficult to get close to higher graphics cards, the 780Ti thing is strange and if they released it with the full potential it would surely stand out, if I could do that frequency with voltage, I would have to throw in that benchmark. The 780Ti may be capped by phases and that's why they haven't released anything to increase the voltage and in this TSMC 28nm process it seems that the voltage allows for more, possibly that's why there are no more news of burned graphics cards.
let's see if I change the equipment because this one has already served its time, although it still works well. regards
