First tests of Nvidia's 980 and 970
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Bueno, poco antes de que se levante el nda y nvidia presente su nueva hornada de graficas se ha colado esta noticia con unas tablas tanto de sobremesa como portatil del supuesto rendimiento de la serie 9.
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance
Realmente no me fijo mucho de los datos que ahi se exponen, pero es un punto de partida XD. Realmente creo que la 980 va a estar un pelo por debajo de la 780 ti al igual que la 970 de la 780.
A ver que tal el consumo de maxwell en gama alta.
Edito: Parece que ya se han filtrado casi todos los datos y aunque ponga rumor, los numeros cuadran:
http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-900/geforce-gtx-980
Lo dicho, no creo que supere a iguales clocks a la 780 ti.
Un saludo.
Yo viendo eso creo que en juegos le va a meter como un 15 o 20% a la Ti, vamos esa prueba es la peor para un SLI, me fijo mas en monogpu, ya que esa grafica por ancho de banda va muy limitada para ese test, a ver si la vemos en buenos equipos con CPU bastante subido y va a haber buena diferencia.
Ese test es ancho de banda puro y una 980 no va a poder competir con graficas como la 780ti, o la 290 que tienen mucho mas ancho de banda, con SLI peor aun se ve el cuello botella que tiene eso.
Aunque en juegos creo que la va a superar fácilmente a la 780Ti, por lo menos mientras la resolución no sea exagerada, a 1080 incluso a 1600p va a superarla fácil aunque a 1600p quizá menos, claro también influirá el juego, en unos le sacara mas y en otros menos,
Aunque aquí seguirá influyendo el precio que le pongan yo creo que no debería valer mas de 450€, si alguno vale algo mas debería ya ser modelos muy especiales.Lo mas fácil es que las GK110 sean descatalogadas pronto, al menos las GTX las Titan quizá duren algo mas.
A iguales clock quizá no supere a la Ti, pero a ver si esa sube, pues lo mismo al final se acerca a los 1500mhz con OC, tendremos que ver el porcentaje de OC que tiene.
Se debe ver todo por que tanto en la Ti como en esta el boost es muy engañoso, debemos ver la frecuencia real con boost de cada una para ver cual es mas potente clock por clock.
Quiza la tapada sea la 970 que parece viene mas relajada de frecuencia y lo mismo al final es la que mas sube.
Esto sacaba yo en ese 3dmark, aunque era un 920 el procesador y la grafica a 1254mhz, esas 900 van a depender mucho de lo que suban de memoria, pero a la 780 parece que la va a superar fácil si sube un poco bien, clock por clock me refiero a la 970 y creo que en juegos va a superarla mas, aunque según el juego.
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I don't think it will reach that percentage, in fact I don't even think it will surpass it.
As for the test, and as it is known and can be calculated, mawwell is 35% faster than kleper at the same clock, but due to the bandwidth and bus it loses momentum, making calculations it is easy to see that at 1750 the bandwidth of maxwell is 224 gb/s while that of kepler is 336 gb/s, 50% more in favor of the latter.
Regarding overclocking, I also think it will go up a bit more than kepler, my 750 ti does 1400 mhz with +31mv but the memos don't reach the 2000 mhz of my 780 ti. so seen what is seen I would dare to say that at 1080p it will not be superior to the 780 ti, and that at more resolution the difference increases.
Regards.
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I don't think it will get that much higher, in fact I don't even think it will surpass it.
As for the test, and as it is known and can be calculated, mawwell is 35% faster than kleper at the same clock, but due to bandwidth and bus it loses ground, doing calculations it is easy to see that at 1750 the bandwidth of maxwell is 224 gb/s while that of kepler is 336 gb/s, 50% in favor of the latter.
Regarding overclocking, I also think it will go up a bit more than kepler, my 750 ti does 1400 mhz with +31mv but the mems don't reach the 2000 mhz of my 780 ti. so seen what is seen I would dare to say that at 1080p it will not be superior to the 780 ti, and that at higher resolutions the difference increases.
Best regards.
That test is the worst for those graphics, the 780 at 1080p and it didn't have a high load in that test with the 4770K I got better load, but it's not at full load and that's with the memory going up quite a bit.
I am convinced that in games we will see something else, it's that if it doesn't surpass the Ti they can start putting them on sale cheap, because don't expect anyone to trade in a 780ti for those, I think that in games it will surpass the 980 and maybe the one closest to the Ti will be the 970, I am clear that we won't see the 980Ti and if we do it will be in 20nm.
But I bet more on a 170,180gtx and a 180Ti all three in 20nm and with a GM200 or 210, these could be like the 9800GTX in their day, which rendered what an 8800GTX did but cheaper and fresher, it's that even if it beats the Ti by 10% or 15% they should be cheaper, because it's a very small jump.
regards
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That test is the worst for those graphics, the 780 at 1080p and it didn't have a high load in that test with the 4770K I got better load, but it's also not at full load and that's increasing memory quite a bit.
I'm convinced that in games we'll see something else, it's just that if it doesn't outperform the Ti they can start putting them on sale, because don't expect anyone to trade in a 780ti for those, I think in games it will outperform the 980 for sure and maybe the one closest to the Ti will be the 970, I'm clear that we won't see a 980Ti and if we do it will be in 20nm.
But I bet more on a 170,180gtx and a 180Ti all three in 20nm and with a GM200 or 210, these could be like the 9800GTX in their day, which performed what an 8800GTX did but cheaper and fresher, it's that even if it pulls out 10% or 15% of the Ti they should be cheaper, because it's a very small jump.
regards
Some statements from an important page (now I can't remember which one it was) were leaked where a manager who had access to the 980 said that it was sure to be faster than the 780, but that as for the 780 ti it didn't say anything, but that it consumed less.
Taking this into account, the 780ti is 15% faster on average than the 780, and as you say the 3dmark is a crap for comparing performance, I don't think it will outperform in games.
And by the way, other rumors point to a "low" price for the 9 series, possibly they want to place the 980 between the 780ti and the 780 lowering the price of the latter and emptying stock, and with the 970 more of the same, we've already seen a price drop for the 770 to compete and empty stock for the arrival of the 970 in stores.
The only real doubt is the tdp, I put it at 190w but they talk about 200w, a 25% reduction in consumption seems to be the average.
Best regards.
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Some statements from an important site (I can't remember which one it was) were leaked, where a manager who had access to the 980 said that it was definitely faster than the 780, but he didn't say anything about the 780 ti, but it consumed less.
Considering this, the 780 ti is on average 15% faster than the 780, and as you say, 3dmark is crap for comparing performance, so I don't think it will outperform it in games.
And while we're on the subject, other rumors point to a "low" price for the 9 series, possibly wanting to position the 980 between the 780 ti and the 780 by lowering the price of the latter and clearing stock, and the same with the 970, we've already seen a price drop for the 770 to compete and clear stock for the arrival of the 970 in stores.
The only real doubt is the TDP, I estimate it at 190w but they talk about 200w, a 25% reduction in consumption seems to be the average.
Best regards.
We won't see anything until it comes out, because 3dmark is useless and it can happen like the Keplers that were better in 3dmark11 and it can also happen like the Fermis at least the 480s that weren't good in Vantage.
What surprises me is that the 970 seems already on par with the 780 and I think the 980 should be better, but that if they don't outperform even the 780 Ti they can already start putting them on sale cheaply.
Another thing that surprises me is that from the 980M to the 980 there seems to be very little difference, that's why I think that until we see them with several games we can't get an idea.
regards
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]Some statements from an important page (I can't remember which one it was) were leaked, where a manager who had access to the 980 said that it was definitely faster than the 780, but that it didn't say anything about the 780 ti, but that it consumed less.
Considering this, the 780 ti is on average 15% faster than the 780, and as you rightly say, 3dmark is crap for comparing performance, so I don't think it will outperform it in games.
And while we're on the subject, other rumors point to a "low" price for the 9 series, possibly wanting to position the 980 between the 780 ti and the 780 by lowering the price of the latter and clearing stock, and doing the same with the 970, we've already seen a price drop for the 770 to compete and clear stock for the arrival of the 970 in stores.
The only real doubt is the TDP, I estimate it at 190w but they talk about 200w, a 25% reduction in consumption seems to be the average.
Best regards.
That's not true, they only talked about how when comparing the 780 with the 980, the latter was much faster, and not even the original text said anything about consumption or the 780 Ti, which they said they couldn't talk about due to NDAs. Interpreting what you want by adding false afterthoughts like "but it consumes less" doesn't add anything.
What we see in the leaked 3dmark results is a performance increase over the 780 TI of more than 10%, and possibly without OC or with a very light one (almost certainly there are three results from three models with or without factory OC), given that the frequencies detected by the results are similar and not too high for a chip that has no special limitations in TDP, and seeing how the GK104 and GM107 are overclocked.
The Ti needs very strong OC to get close to the results of the GM204 in what seems to be some soft clock values for the type of chip. So it's not going to be.
PD: A 970 with 2 SMX disabled and as relaxed in frequencies as seen in the table, outperforming a GTX 780 so easily, almost necessarily implies that the 980 with everything enabled and with more frequency almost necessarily implies outperforming the 780 TI.
I see that some of you want to see this generation be weaker despite the objective data... :ugly:
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That's not true, it was only mentioned that when comparing 780 to 980, the latter was quite faster, and not even anything was said in the original text about power consumption or the 780 Ti, of which it was only said that he could not talk about it due to NDA issues. Interpreting what you want by adding false afterthoughts like "but it consumes less" doesn't contribute anything.
What is seen in the 3dmark results leaks is a performance increase over the 780 TI of more than 10%, and possibly without OC or with a very light one (almost certainly there are three results from three models with or without factory OC), given that the frequencies detected by the results are similar and not too high for a chip that has no special limitations in TDP, and seeing how the GK104 and GM107 are going up.
The Ti needs very strong OC to approach the results of the GM204 in what seems to be some soft clock values for the type of chip. So it's not going to be.
PD: A 970 with 2 SMX disabled and as relaxed in frequencies as seen in the table, surpassing a GTX 780 so calmly, almost necessarily implies that the 980 with everything enabled and with more frequency almost necessarily implies surpassing the 780 Ti.
I see that some of you want to see that this generation is going to be weaker despite the objective data... :ugly:
Based on the data available so far compared to a GTX 780, what would be the performance improvement?
On a GTX 970, 980 28nm and a 980Ti 20nm
Regards.-
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That's not true, it was only mentioned that when comparing the 780 to the 980, the latter was quite faster, and not even the original text said anything about power consumption or the 780 Ti, of which it was only said that they couldn't talk about it due to NDAs. Interpreting what you want by adding false afterthoughts like "but it consumes less" doesn't contribute anything.
What is seen in the 3dmark results leaks is a performance increase over the 780 TI of more than 10%, and possibly without OC or with a very light one (almost certainly there are three results from three models with or without factory OC), given that the frequencies detected by the results are similar and not too high for a chip that has no special limitations in TDP, and seeing how the GK104 and GM107 are going up.
The Ti needs very strong OC to approach the results of the GM204 in what seems to be some soft clock values for the type of chip. So it's not going to be.
PD: A 970 with 2 SMX disabled and as relaxed in frequencies as seen in the table, surpassing a GTX 780 so easily, almost necessarily implies that the 980 with everything enabled and with more frequency almost necessarily implies surpassing the 780 TI.
I see that some of you want to see that this generation will be weaker despite the objective data... :ugly:
I don't know if you realized that the famous 3dmark table is based on the data that is collected on the websites and on the page's own estimates, in fact, the 3dmark captures are from January if I remember correctly, so they have nothing tangible to publish while the NDA is in place.
Also, by the way, you're playing the role of a futurologist with the performance of the GM204, I don't know if you have data to contribute, but what I can contribute is that a 750 Ti is not faster than a 650 Ti Boost, comparing the sim to the 780 Ti, 50% less bandwidth and bus with the +35% push of maxwell.
It is being talked about that the gm204 will come with 1920 ccs (15 smm) and 32 rops, by the size of the chip seen in the leak.
With these characteristics, I don't doubt, but almost guarantee that it is not more powerful than a 780 Ti and barely more powerful than a 780.
Same example in 750 Ti vs 650 Ti Boost, 650 Ti 768 ccs vs 750 Ti 640 ccs, 192 bits vs 128 bits, very similar percentages to see that the 980 would have to have at least 2560 ccs and 64 rops to surpass the gk110.
The 1920 ccs and 32 rops simply cannot perform like the 2880 ccs of kepler and even the 2/4 mb of L2, double registers or the 128 kb of L1 will not compensate for the -50% bandwidth and a 25% less ccs.
The architecture is good, well implemented, very modular and scalable, but the 780ti performs like a beast and nvidia will have to put meat on the grill if they want to approach or surpass it.
The rest are mere conjectures that we are making, otherwise, on Friday we will see XD.
Best regards.
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Based on the data that is available so far compared to a GTX 780 what would be the performance improvement?
On a GTX 970, 980 28nm and a 980Ti 20nm
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I don't think they will release a 980Ti, they could perhaps stretch a GM204 more since the TDP allows them to do so, but I bet more on them releasing another revision to 20nm, in a few months when they can manufacture with TSMC.
It could happen like the 200 series that they released in 65nm and then in 55nm, possibly we will see a 960Ti or maybe not but I find it strange a 980Ti when in a few months they should reduce the manufacturing process.
From what I see in performance I don't draw any conclusions, because we didn't see anything, maybe a leak from a 3dmark a while ago that was 25% higher although it could also be a fake.
What surprises me is that they release a 980gtx and it performs less than a 780Ti, that seems strange to me, unless they put them much cheaper, I think it will perform something more although it could be because it comes stretched from frequencies, with very high boosts, but until they come out and we see tests we won't get anything clear.
Regards
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I'm not sure if you've heard that the famous 3dmark table is based on data collected from websites and estimates from the site itself. In fact, the 3dmark screenshots are from January if I remember correctly, so they don't have anything tangible to publish while the NDA is in place.
By the way, you're also acting as a futurologist with the performance of the GM204. I don't know if you have data to contribute, but what I can contribute is that a 750 Ti is not faster than a 650 Ti Boost, comparing Simil vs 780 Ti, 50% less bandwidth and bus with the +35% boost of Maxwell.
It's being talked about that the GM204 will come with 1920 CUDA cores (15 SMs) and 32 ROPs, based on the chip size seen in the leak.
With these characteristics, I have no doubt, I almost guarantee that it's not more powerful than a 780 Ti and barely more powerful than a 770.
Same example in 750 Ti vs 650 Ti Boost, 650 Ti 768 CUDA cores vs 750 Ti 640 CUDA cores, 192 bits vs 128 bits, very similar percentages to see that the 980 would have to have at least 2560 CUDA cores and 64 ROPs to outperform the GK110.
The 1920 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs simply cannot perform like the 2880 CUDA cores of Kepler and even the 2/4 MB of L2, double registers or the 128 KB of L1 won't compensate for the -50% bandwidth and 25% less CUDA cores.
The architecture is good, well implemented, very modular and scalable, but the 780 Ti performs like a beast and NVIDIA will have to put some meat on the grill if they want to approach or surpass it.
The rest are just conjectures we're making, otherwise, we'll see on Friday XD.
Best regards.
Besides those scores, which is a lie that they were made by "extrapolation" (that's a nonsense that a site like CHW or wccftech made up out of thin air, pure "rebouncers" of news that don't even know how to translate, in the original it doesn't say anything about that, but simply found those results in the Futuremark databases, and didn't even know which one was the "reference"), nothing better than going to the source to know what was really said:
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance
NOTHING of extrapolations, simply what I said, they don't know how to interpret which one is the "reference". They assume the slowest one (100%), but they already warn about the issue.
Besides this, there's another thing if anything more important, Coolaler posted results of the GTX 970 weeks before, and also information from GPU-Z that confirmed my theory about the GM204 (http://wwwendigo.blogspot.com/2014/07/gtx-870880-maxwell-y-el-gm204.html), where very similar results to these "leaks" were obtained. The GTX 970 would be equal or slightly faster than the GTX 780.
To all this, considering some leaks of results from 4-5 DIFFERENT SOURCES as bad, based on that a screenshot says "an impossible date" (it's so difficult that someone hasn't set a testing team's equipment to the correct time... come on) is a nonsense. That there's a possible false data doesn't make all the others false, besides the fact that we're talking about Futuremark results that have been uploaded to their BD, not just simple image captures, it's not as simple as photoshopping a capture, really... :ugly:
What I do know is that I made a prediction at the beginning of July that day by day becomes more of a reality, unlike the rumors of the time that talked about a GM204 with 3200 CUDA cores and 5 GPCs, and other nonsense.
The GM204 as it seems to be now, has the potential to be 3 times faster than the GM107 of the GTX 750 Ti, this performs 55% of a GTX 770 or GK104 "complete", so in a perfect scaling, which wouldn't be at all strange, it would be 165% of the performance of a GK104. Keep it at 150% if you prefer, and tell me if those results make sense with the potential of a GM204 that would be, in principle, a design 3X in execution hard compared to the GTX 750 Ti (there's still a tiny possibility that this hard could quadruple, but I didn't see it as very possible then, due to various problems, much less now with leaks that support my original hypothesis).
And that's it, more on Friday, but I think if I don't hit the nail on the head, it won't be far off.
Regards.
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Además de esas puntuaciones, que es mentira que se hicieran "extrapolando" (ésa es una burrada que se sacaron de la manga un site como CHW o wccftech, puros "reboteadores" de noticias que ni saben traducir, en el original no dice nada de eso, sino que simplemente encontraron dichos resultados en las BBDD de Futuremark, y no sabían siquiera cuál es la versión "de referencia"), nada mejor que ir a la fuente para saber qué se dijo realmente:
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance
NADA de extrapolaciones, simple y llanamente lo que he dicho, que no saben interpretar cuál es la "de referencia". Asumen que la más lenta (100%), pero avisan ya del tema.
Además de esto, hay otra cosa si cabe más importante, Coolaler posteó semanas antes resultados de la GTX 970, y de paso información de GPU-z que confirmaba mi cábala sobre el GM204 (http://wwwendigo.blogspot.com/2014/07/gtx-870880-maxwell-y-el-gm204.html), donde se obtenían resultados muy en línea de estas "filtraciones". La GTX 970 sería igual o ligeramente más rápida que la GTX 780.
A todo esto, dar por malas unas filtraciones de resultados de 4-5 FUENTES DISTINTAS, en base a que una captura pone "una fecha imposible" (es tan difícil que alguien no haya puesto en hora un equipo de testado… vamos) sí es un dislate. Que haya un posible dato falso no transforma en falsos todos los demás, además de que estamos hablando de resultados de Futuremark que se han subido arriba, a su BD, no de simples capturas de imagen, no es tan simple como photoshopear una captura, vamos... :ugly:
Yo lo que sé es que he hecho una predicción a principios de julio que día a día se convierte más en una realidad, a diferencia de los rumores de la época que hablaban de un GM204 con 3200 CCs y 5 GPCs, y otras burradas.
El GM204 tal y como parece que es ahora, tiene el potencial de ser 3 veces más rápido que el GM107 de las GTX 750 Ti, éste rinde un 55% de una GTX 770 o GK104 "completo", así que en un escalado perfecto, que no sería para nada raro, sería un 165% del rendimiento de un GK104. Quédate con un 150% si así lo prefieres, y dime si tienen o no sentido esos resultados con el potencial de un GM204 que sería, en principio, un diseño 3X en hard de ejecución respecto a la gTX 750Ti (hay aún una pequeñísima posibilidad de que se cuadruplique este hard, pero ni lo veía muy posible entonces, por problemas varios, mucho menos ahora con filtraciones que apoyan mi hipótesis original).
Y esto es lo que hay, el viernes más, pero creo que si no doy de lleno, poco le va a faltar.
Saludos.
Si te fijas ya en mi primer post había puesto la fuente, pero bueno … Concuerdo contigo en que el tamaño del chip, si es el que se ha filtrado, no da para mucho más que 1920 ccs, unos 460 mm^2 y unos 5600 millones de transistores. En ccs concuerda perfectamente en rendimiento con los 2880 ccs de kepler en cuanto a potencia, el problema es ese ancho de banda de -50% que la va a penalizar mucho, al igual que penaliza a las 750ti, que rendiría como una bestia de tenerlo (256 bits), yo mismo te lo puedo decir de primera mano.
Y es que la potencia del chip se ve claramente limitada por el bus, una cache L2, L1 y dividir el smm en más registros aunque sean compartidos junto con la memoria virtual, no es más que una medida paliativa a esa carencia, es propia de la arquitectura claro, pero no justifica que asuma el trabajo del menor ancho del bus, no se si me explico.
Y vuelvo a incidir en el ejemplo que está en el mercado, 750ti vs 650 ti boost, 640 ccs vs 768 ccs, 16 rops vs 24 rops, 128 bits vs 192 bits, la 750 ti a más frecuencia y más boost. Resultado: maxwell es un 18% superior en performance a kepler, pero queda por detrás en rendimiento general debido a su bus y ancho de banda, entorno al 8% en la media de las resoluciones usadas. Con esto que quiero decir, que o nvidia mete 2560 ccs para compensar la falta de ancho de banda, o saca 1920ccs con 384 bits, o hace un mixto y nos sorprende, y bueno, 32 rops...... poco más que decir, bueno si, que el precio ya puede ser competitivo.
Supongo que ya esto lo habrás visto, pero lo pongo por si a alguien le viene bien:
Arquitectura maxwell:
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 Review: Maxwell Makes Its Move
Rendimiento Gtx 750 ti:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB Review | techPowerUp
Un saludo.
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I don't think they will release a 980Ti, they could maybe stretch a GM204 more since the TDP allows it, but I bet more on them releasing another revision to 20nm, in a few months when they can manufacture with TSMC.
It could happen like the 200 series that they released in 65nm and then in 55nm, possibly we will see a 960Ti or maybe not but it seems strange to me a 980Ti when in a few months they should reduce the manufacturing process.
From what I see in performance I don't draw any conclusions, because we didn't see anything, maybe a capture that was leaked a while ago 3dmark that was 25% higher although it could also be a fake.
What surprises me is that they release a 980gtx and it performs less than a 780Ti, that seems strange to me, unless they put them much cheaper, I think it will perform something more although it could be because it comes stretched in frequencies, with very high boost, but until they come out and we see tests we won't get anything clear.
Regards
When I referred to the 980Ti I was talking about the Maxwell of 20nm but I was waiting for it at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm but when you mention months later it gives me the feeling of much later.
How much gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Having been a bit more into it, testing games in 4K I realize that the Titan holds its own at 20-45 fps in most cases and when it drops below 30 fps you feel the loss of playability a lot.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 cards of 4GB could pull a good Time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3 and most of the upcoming releases will be similar and the graphics are incredible, but the game moves between 15-19 fps and in some scenes like the one in the cafeteria 7-9 fps and to my amazement the afterburner marks the maximum memory used 6GB I suppose it's a bug but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power and now also graphics with more than 4GB :llorar:
I suppose this Friday we will have news.
Regards.-
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When I referred to the 980Ti, I was talking about the 20nm Maxwell, but I was expecting it to come out at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm, but when you mention months later, it gives me the feeling of a lot of time later.
How much of a gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Now that I've been testing games in 4K a bit more, I realize that the Titan holds up at 20-45 fps in most cases, and when it drops below 30 fps, you really feel the loss of playability.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 4GB cards could pull off a good time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3, and most upcoming releases will be similar, and the graphics are incredible, but the game runs between 15-19 fps, and in some scenes like the one in the cafeteria, it's 7-9 fps, and to my amazement, afterburner shows me the maximum memory used at 6GB, I suppose it's a bug, but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power, and now also graphics with more than 4GB :llorar:
I guess we'll have news this Friday.
Saludos.-
At 4k resolution, you need a lot more than a Titan, SLI Titan Black or SLI 780 Ti 6 GB. The problem with this resolution is not just the power, it's the extra cost of having to have at least 6GB of VRAM. If you have the money, it's not a problem, of course ;D.
I don't recommend tri-sli because of the micro stuttering you could have if you don't use G-Sync. Regards.
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When I referred to the 980Ti, I was talking about the 20nm Maxwell, but I was expecting it to come out at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm, but when you mention months later, it gives me the feeling of a long time later.
How much gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Now that I've been testing games in 4K a bit more, I realize that the Titan holds up at 20-45 fps in most cases, and when it drops below 30 fps, you really feel the loss of playability.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 4GB cards could pull off a good time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3 and most upcoming releases will be similar, and the graphics are incredible, but the game moves between 15-19 fps and in some scenes like the cafeteria, 7-9 fps, and to my amazement, afterburner shows me the maximum memory used at 6GB, I suppose it's a bug, but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power, and now also graphics with more than 4GB :cry:
I suppose we'll have news this Friday.
Regards.
It's just that we don't know when they will be able to start releasing in 20nm, even as there were rumors that Nvidia could skip it and wait for 16nm.
What you can expect is that I don't think the 980Ti will come out, maybe the GM200 or 210 will come out and it should go to another numbering.
Maybe 180GTX, 1800gtx, it seems that from GM204 down they will release this whole series, that is, GM204 will be 980,970 and maybe 960Ti or 960, and GM206 could be 960, 950Ti, so in 20nm the high-end range will come out.Then forget about Dead Rising3, it's a cutreport of the worst kind, I'm talking about optimization, it seems that ELP3 doesn't like it because SLI doesn't work and a Titan that's quite overclocked says it doesn't work, even an R9 290x doesn't work, not even using the TV at 1080p.
If they don't fix it, it seems like they've released a pretty bad port, that's why it's almost worth waiting and in 20nm you look at what comes out, surely you'll be able to buy two GM204 or GM214 in 20nm and cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful.
Regards
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Not much is known about the 20nm, I wouldn't expect the new batch of graphics until after a few months, or many months, I suppose they want to make money from the new architecture and squeeze the "cheap" 28 nm compared to the 20 nm. I doubt they will jump to 16 nm all at once ….. as far as I know, TSMC isn't doing very well with deadlines due to all the demand it has from different companies/platforms.
PD: They are already showing themselves to the little ones:
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
Best regards.
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For 4k resolution you need much more than a Titan, SLI Titan Black or SLI 780 Ti 6 gb, the problem with this resolution is not only the power, it's the extra cost of having to have at least 6gb of vram, if you have the money it's not a problem of course ;D.
I don't recommend tri-sli because of the micro stuttering you could have if you don't use g-sync. Regards.
Depends I tried a couple and they work well in 4K of course, but if you want to play the pointers or new graphics destroyers I doubt even an SLI of Titan or GTX 780Ti could, hence the need for the GTX 980 to be at least 30% more powerful to at least try to be between 40-60 fps.-
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Then forget about Dead Rising3 it's a cutreport of the worst kind, I'm talking about optimization, ELP3 doesn't seem to like it because SLI doesn't work and a Titan quite overclocked says it doesn't work, even an R9 290x doesn't work, not even using the TV at 1080p.
If they don't fix it it seems they have released a pretty bad port, that's why it's almost worth waiting and in 20nm you look at what comes out, surely you could buy two GM204 or GM214 in 20nm and cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful.
Regards
Too bad it looks incredible in 4K, I suppose ELP3 still uses the DELL 1600p and if it costs him that much, don't even get me started, I still don't think it's so bad to go at 15-20 fps, you can even play it
Now moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.-
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It depends, I tried a couple and they work well in 4K, of course, if you want to play at the highest settings or new graphics-intensive games, I doubt that even a Titan SLI or GTX 780Ti can handle it, which is why the GTX 980 needs to be at least 30% more powerful to even try to stay between 40-60 fps.
Regards.
Too bad it looks amazing in 4K, I suppose ELP3 is still using the DELL 1600p and if it's struggling for him, don't even get me started, but it still doesn't seem that bad to me to go to 15-20 fps, you can even play it.
Now, moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.
Forget about a 30% improvement, I said it and I stand by it, I doubt they will outperform a 780 Ti.
I think someone with more info than me thinks the same or something similar XD:
http://videocardz.com/52122/overclockersuk-reference-geforce-gtx-980970-4gb-8gb-models-also-planned
Best regards.
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It depends, I tried a couple and they work well in 4K, of course, if you want to play with the new graphics killers, I doubt that even a Titan SLI or GTX 780Ti could, hence the need for the GTX 980 to be at least 30% more powerful to even try to be between 40-60 fps.-
Regards.-
Too bad it looks amazing in 4K, I suppose ELP3 is still with the DELL 1600p and if it's hard for him, don't even get me started, it doesn't seem so bad to me to go to 15-20 fps, you can even play it
Now moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.-
If he has his monitor at 2560x1600, but since SLI doesn't work, he finally tried playing at 1080p on a TV, because at 1600p it's unplayable with a Titan, I haven't even tried it as I've been told it's so bad, I'll wait for it to go on sale and see if they release patches and drivers.
If the 980 thing is clear, but I think for your resolution it's better to hold out with the Titan, at least until a GM210 or 200 comes out, because then you might be able to get two GM204 or 214 cheaper and maybe a bit more powerful, they should have HDMI2 the same.
Looking at those 980s, it seems to me they won't be cheap, with back plate and all, it seems they use up to the PCB of the 780Ti, that dissipation looks good and that one, having to dissipate less heat, maybe won't need as much, but they can price it high, although what matters is the performance, but that 980 looks much higher quality than a reference 680.
Although it could happen as with the 770 that we don't see those references and only see custom models.
Many CCs bring the 980 down to the 970, let's see if that's reliable, although we can already see photos of them, they have a very low TDP, that 970 should have been the 960, at 250€, it seems to consume little.
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-coresregards
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They are already saying it will have 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
I see you with your ass a little tight, you have to outperform the 780 to justify the price anyway, we'll see the final frequencies. At a glance, 8% above with higher clocks, at the same clocks 3%-5%.
Something else is leaking:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
At the same clocks 10% slower than 780ti and 3% faster than 780.
There is less left.
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If you have your monitor at 2560x1600, but since SLI doesn't work, you've ended up trying to play at 1080p on a TV, because at 1600p it's unplayable with a Titan, I haven't even tried it as I've been told it's so bad, I'll wait for it to go on sale and see if they release patches and drivers.
I understand the 980 is clear, but I think for your resolution it's better to hold out with the Titan, at least until a GM210 or 200 comes out, because then you might be able to get two GM204 or 214 cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful, they should have HDMI2 the same.
Looking at those 980s, it seems to me they won't be cheap, with back plate and all, it seems they use up to the PCB of the 780Ti, that dissipation looks good and that with less heat to dissipate, it might not need as much, but they can price it high even though what matters is performance, but that 980 looks much higher quality than a reference 680.
Although it could happen as with the 770 that we don't see those references and only see custom models.
Many CCs are bringing the 980 down to the 970, let's see if that's reliable even though photos of them have already been seen, they have a very low TDP, that 970 should have been the 960, at 250€, it seems to consume little.
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-coresregards
They will surely release patches and drivers soon, seeing the data and prices of the GTX 980, for now it doesn't seem to be an interesting option, the GTX 970 looks better.
According to what was published today, the GTX 980 has a TDP of 175W and the GTX 970 of 145W, they look fresh and with low consumption with 3 displayports and an HDMI 2.0, they become tempting for my situation, the GTX 960 will have 2GB so they are ruled out.
Looking at the data, the ideal thing would be to hold out as you say with my Titan, it can't be that they don't have something that surpasses the GTX 780 Ti
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They are already saying it will have 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
I see them with their backs against the wall, they have to surpass the 780 to justify the price somehow, we'll see the final frequencies. At a glance, 8% higher with higher clocks, at the same clocks 3%-5%.
Something else is leaking:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
At the same clocks, 10% slower than 780ti and 3% faster than 780.
There's not much left.
The GTX 980 for 499 Euros is hard to digest when the GTX 780 is found for less than 450 Euros with practically the same performance, it's good to have 1 more of Vram and cooler but it doesn't justify it, it would be a big disappointment.
regards.-
