First tests of Nvidia's 980 and 970
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I'm not sure if you've heard that the famous 3dmark table is based on data collected from websites and estimates from the site itself. In fact, the 3dmark screenshots are from January if I remember correctly, so they don't have anything tangible to publish while the NDA is in place.
By the way, you're also acting as a futurologist with the performance of the GM204. I don't know if you have data to contribute, but what I can contribute is that a 750 Ti is not faster than a 650 Ti Boost, comparing Simil vs 780 Ti, 50% less bandwidth and bus with the +35% boost of Maxwell.
It's being talked about that the GM204 will come with 1920 CUDA cores (15 SMs) and 32 ROPs, based on the chip size seen in the leak.
With these characteristics, I have no doubt, I almost guarantee that it's not more powerful than a 780 Ti and barely more powerful than a 770.
Same example in 750 Ti vs 650 Ti Boost, 650 Ti 768 CUDA cores vs 750 Ti 640 CUDA cores, 192 bits vs 128 bits, very similar percentages to see that the 980 would have to have at least 2560 CUDA cores and 64 ROPs to outperform the GK110.
The 1920 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs simply cannot perform like the 2880 CUDA cores of Kepler and even the 2/4 MB of L2, double registers or the 128 KB of L1 won't compensate for the -50% bandwidth and 25% less CUDA cores.
The architecture is good, well implemented, very modular and scalable, but the 780 Ti performs like a beast and NVIDIA will have to put some meat on the grill if they want to approach or surpass it.
The rest are just conjectures we're making, otherwise, we'll see on Friday XD.
Best regards.
Besides those scores, which is a lie that they were made by "extrapolation" (that's a nonsense that a site like CHW or wccftech made up out of thin air, pure "rebouncers" of news that don't even know how to translate, in the original it doesn't say anything about that, but simply found those results in the Futuremark databases, and didn't even know which one was the "reference"), nothing better than going to the source to know what was really said:
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance
NOTHING of extrapolations, simply what I said, they don't know how to interpret which one is the "reference". They assume the slowest one (100%), but they already warn about the issue.
Besides this, there's another thing if anything more important, Coolaler posted results of the GTX 970 weeks before, and also information from GPU-Z that confirmed my theory about the GM204 (http://wwwendigo.blogspot.com/2014/07/gtx-870880-maxwell-y-el-gm204.html), where very similar results to these "leaks" were obtained. The GTX 970 would be equal or slightly faster than the GTX 780.
To all this, considering some leaks of results from 4-5 DIFFERENT SOURCES as bad, based on that a screenshot says "an impossible date" (it's so difficult that someone hasn't set a testing team's equipment to the correct time... come on) is a nonsense. That there's a possible false data doesn't make all the others false, besides the fact that we're talking about Futuremark results that have been uploaded to their BD, not just simple image captures, it's not as simple as photoshopping a capture, really... :ugly:
What I do know is that I made a prediction at the beginning of July that day by day becomes more of a reality, unlike the rumors of the time that talked about a GM204 with 3200 CUDA cores and 5 GPCs, and other nonsense.
The GM204 as it seems to be now, has the potential to be 3 times faster than the GM107 of the GTX 750 Ti, this performs 55% of a GTX 770 or GK104 "complete", so in a perfect scaling, which wouldn't be at all strange, it would be 165% of the performance of a GK104. Keep it at 150% if you prefer, and tell me if those results make sense with the potential of a GM204 that would be, in principle, a design 3X in execution hard compared to the GTX 750 Ti (there's still a tiny possibility that this hard could quadruple, but I didn't see it as very possible then, due to various problems, much less now with leaks that support my original hypothesis).
And that's it, more on Friday, but I think if I don't hit the nail on the head, it won't be far off.
Regards.
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Además de esas puntuaciones, que es mentira que se hicieran "extrapolando" (ésa es una burrada que se sacaron de la manga un site como CHW o wccftech, puros "reboteadores" de noticias que ni saben traducir, en el original no dice nada de eso, sino que simplemente encontraron dichos resultados en las BBDD de Futuremark, y no sabían siquiera cuál es la versión "de referencia"), nada mejor que ir a la fuente para saber qué se dijo realmente:
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance
NADA de extrapolaciones, simple y llanamente lo que he dicho, que no saben interpretar cuál es la "de referencia". Asumen que la más lenta (100%), pero avisan ya del tema.
Además de esto, hay otra cosa si cabe más importante, Coolaler posteó semanas antes resultados de la GTX 970, y de paso información de GPU-z que confirmaba mi cábala sobre el GM204 (http://wwwendigo.blogspot.com/2014/07/gtx-870880-maxwell-y-el-gm204.html), donde se obtenían resultados muy en línea de estas "filtraciones". La GTX 970 sería igual o ligeramente más rápida que la GTX 780.
A todo esto, dar por malas unas filtraciones de resultados de 4-5 FUENTES DISTINTAS, en base a que una captura pone "una fecha imposible" (es tan difícil que alguien no haya puesto en hora un equipo de testado… vamos) sí es un dislate. Que haya un posible dato falso no transforma en falsos todos los demás, además de que estamos hablando de resultados de Futuremark que se han subido arriba, a su BD, no de simples capturas de imagen, no es tan simple como photoshopear una captura, vamos... :ugly:
Yo lo que sé es que he hecho una predicción a principios de julio que día a día se convierte más en una realidad, a diferencia de los rumores de la época que hablaban de un GM204 con 3200 CCs y 5 GPCs, y otras burradas.
El GM204 tal y como parece que es ahora, tiene el potencial de ser 3 veces más rápido que el GM107 de las GTX 750 Ti, éste rinde un 55% de una GTX 770 o GK104 "completo", así que en un escalado perfecto, que no sería para nada raro, sería un 165% del rendimiento de un GK104. Quédate con un 150% si así lo prefieres, y dime si tienen o no sentido esos resultados con el potencial de un GM204 que sería, en principio, un diseño 3X en hard de ejecución respecto a la gTX 750Ti (hay aún una pequeñísima posibilidad de que se cuadruplique este hard, pero ni lo veía muy posible entonces, por problemas varios, mucho menos ahora con filtraciones que apoyan mi hipótesis original).
Y esto es lo que hay, el viernes más, pero creo que si no doy de lleno, poco le va a faltar.
Saludos.
Si te fijas ya en mi primer post había puesto la fuente, pero bueno … Concuerdo contigo en que el tamaño del chip, si es el que se ha filtrado, no da para mucho más que 1920 ccs, unos 460 mm^2 y unos 5600 millones de transistores. En ccs concuerda perfectamente en rendimiento con los 2880 ccs de kepler en cuanto a potencia, el problema es ese ancho de banda de -50% que la va a penalizar mucho, al igual que penaliza a las 750ti, que rendiría como una bestia de tenerlo (256 bits), yo mismo te lo puedo decir de primera mano.
Y es que la potencia del chip se ve claramente limitada por el bus, una cache L2, L1 y dividir el smm en más registros aunque sean compartidos junto con la memoria virtual, no es más que una medida paliativa a esa carencia, es propia de la arquitectura claro, pero no justifica que asuma el trabajo del menor ancho del bus, no se si me explico.
Y vuelvo a incidir en el ejemplo que está en el mercado, 750ti vs 650 ti boost, 640 ccs vs 768 ccs, 16 rops vs 24 rops, 128 bits vs 192 bits, la 750 ti a más frecuencia y más boost. Resultado: maxwell es un 18% superior en performance a kepler, pero queda por detrás en rendimiento general debido a su bus y ancho de banda, entorno al 8% en la media de las resoluciones usadas. Con esto que quiero decir, que o nvidia mete 2560 ccs para compensar la falta de ancho de banda, o saca 1920ccs con 384 bits, o hace un mixto y nos sorprende, y bueno, 32 rops...... poco más que decir, bueno si, que el precio ya puede ser competitivo.
Supongo que ya esto lo habrás visto, pero lo pongo por si a alguien le viene bien:
Arquitectura maxwell:
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 Review: Maxwell Makes Its Move
Rendimiento Gtx 750 ti:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB Review | techPowerUp
Un saludo.
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I don't think they will release a 980Ti, they could maybe stretch a GM204 more since the TDP allows it, but I bet more on them releasing another revision to 20nm, in a few months when they can manufacture with TSMC.
It could happen like the 200 series that they released in 65nm and then in 55nm, possibly we will see a 960Ti or maybe not but it seems strange to me a 980Ti when in a few months they should reduce the manufacturing process.
From what I see in performance I don't draw any conclusions, because we didn't see anything, maybe a capture that was leaked a while ago 3dmark that was 25% higher although it could also be a fake.
What surprises me is that they release a 980gtx and it performs less than a 780Ti, that seems strange to me, unless they put them much cheaper, I think it will perform something more although it could be because it comes stretched in frequencies, with very high boost, but until they come out and we see tests we won't get anything clear.
Regards
When I referred to the 980Ti I was talking about the Maxwell of 20nm but I was waiting for it at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm but when you mention months later it gives me the feeling of much later.
How much gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Having been a bit more into it, testing games in 4K I realize that the Titan holds its own at 20-45 fps in most cases and when it drops below 30 fps you feel the loss of playability a lot.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 cards of 4GB could pull a good Time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3 and most of the upcoming releases will be similar and the graphics are incredible, but the game moves between 15-19 fps and in some scenes like the one in the cafeteria 7-9 fps and to my amazement the afterburner marks the maximum memory used 6GB I suppose it's a bug but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power and now also graphics with more than 4GB :llorar:
I suppose this Friday we will have news.
Regards.-
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When I referred to the 980Ti, I was talking about the 20nm Maxwell, but I was expecting it to come out at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm, but when you mention months later, it gives me the feeling of a lot of time later.
How much of a gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Now that I've been testing games in 4K a bit more, I realize that the Titan holds up at 20-45 fps in most cases, and when it drops below 30 fps, you really feel the loss of playability.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 4GB cards could pull off a good time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3, and most upcoming releases will be similar, and the graphics are incredible, but the game runs between 15-19 fps, and in some scenes like the one in the cafeteria, it's 7-9 fps, and to my amazement, afterburner shows me the maximum memory used at 6GB, I suppose it's a bug, but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power, and now also graphics with more than 4GB :llorar:
I guess we'll have news this Friday.
Saludos.-
At 4k resolution, you need a lot more than a Titan, SLI Titan Black or SLI 780 Ti 6 GB. The problem with this resolution is not just the power, it's the extra cost of having to have at least 6GB of VRAM. If you have the money, it's not a problem, of course ;D.
I don't recommend tri-sli because of the micro stuttering you could have if you don't use G-Sync. Regards.
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When I referred to the 980Ti, I was talking about the 20nm Maxwell, but I was expecting it to come out at most 2 months after the GTX 980 in 28nm, but when you mention months later, it gives me the feeling of a long time later.
How much gain could there be between the 28nm and 20nm?
Now that I've been testing games in 4K a bit more, I realize that the Titan holds up at 20-45 fps in most cases, and when it drops below 30 fps, you really feel the loss of playability.
I thought that an SLI of 970/980 4GB cards could pull off a good time, but now I'm starting to test Dead Rising 3 and most upcoming releases will be similar, and the graphics are incredible, but the game moves between 15-19 fps and in some scenes like the cafeteria, 7-9 fps, and to my amazement, afterburner shows me the maximum memory used at 6GB, I suppose it's a bug, but then I look at the constant and it's at 4.5-5 GB.
I know I need HDMI 2.0, quite a bit more power, and now also graphics with more than 4GB :cry:
I suppose we'll have news this Friday.
Regards.
It's just that we don't know when they will be able to start releasing in 20nm, even as there were rumors that Nvidia could skip it and wait for 16nm.
What you can expect is that I don't think the 980Ti will come out, maybe the GM200 or 210 will come out and it should go to another numbering.
Maybe 180GTX, 1800gtx, it seems that from GM204 down they will release this whole series, that is, GM204 will be 980,970 and maybe 960Ti or 960, and GM206 could be 960, 950Ti, so in 20nm the high-end range will come out.Then forget about Dead Rising3, it's a cutreport of the worst kind, I'm talking about optimization, it seems that ELP3 doesn't like it because SLI doesn't work and a Titan that's quite overclocked says it doesn't work, even an R9 290x doesn't work, not even using the TV at 1080p.
If they don't fix it, it seems like they've released a pretty bad port, that's why it's almost worth waiting and in 20nm you look at what comes out, surely you'll be able to buy two GM204 or GM214 in 20nm and cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful.
Regards
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Not much is known about the 20nm, I wouldn't expect the new batch of graphics until after a few months, or many months, I suppose they want to make money from the new architecture and squeeze the "cheap" 28 nm compared to the 20 nm. I doubt they will jump to 16 nm all at once ….. as far as I know, TSMC isn't doing very well with deadlines due to all the demand it has from different companies/platforms.
PD: They are already showing themselves to the little ones:
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
Best regards.
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For 4k resolution you need much more than a Titan, SLI Titan Black or SLI 780 Ti 6 gb, the problem with this resolution is not only the power, it's the extra cost of having to have at least 6gb of vram, if you have the money it's not a problem of course ;D.
I don't recommend tri-sli because of the micro stuttering you could have if you don't use g-sync. Regards.
Depends I tried a couple and they work well in 4K of course, but if you want to play the pointers or new graphics destroyers I doubt even an SLI of Titan or GTX 780Ti could, hence the need for the GTX 980 to be at least 30% more powerful to at least try to be between 40-60 fps.-
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Then forget about Dead Rising3 it's a cutreport of the worst kind, I'm talking about optimization, ELP3 doesn't seem to like it because SLI doesn't work and a Titan quite overclocked says it doesn't work, even an R9 290x doesn't work, not even using the TV at 1080p.
If they don't fix it it seems they have released a pretty bad port, that's why it's almost worth waiting and in 20nm you look at what comes out, surely you could buy two GM204 or GM214 in 20nm and cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful.
Regards
Too bad it looks incredible in 4K, I suppose ELP3 still uses the DELL 1600p and if it costs him that much, don't even get me started, I still don't think it's so bad to go at 15-20 fps, you can even play it
Now moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.-
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It depends, I tried a couple and they work well in 4K, of course, if you want to play at the highest settings or new graphics-intensive games, I doubt that even a Titan SLI or GTX 780Ti can handle it, which is why the GTX 980 needs to be at least 30% more powerful to even try to stay between 40-60 fps.
Regards.
Too bad it looks amazing in 4K, I suppose ELP3 is still using the DELL 1600p and if it's struggling for him, don't even get me started, but it still doesn't seem that bad to me to go to 15-20 fps, you can even play it.
Now, moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.
Forget about a 30% improvement, I said it and I stand by it, I doubt they will outperform a 780 Ti.
I think someone with more info than me thinks the same or something similar XD:
http://videocardz.com/52122/overclockersuk-reference-geforce-gtx-980970-4gb-8gb-models-also-planned
Best regards.
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It depends, I tried a couple and they work well in 4K, of course, if you want to play with the new graphics killers, I doubt that even a Titan SLI or GTX 780Ti could, hence the need for the GTX 980 to be at least 30% more powerful to even try to be between 40-60 fps.-
Regards.-
Too bad it looks amazing in 4K, I suppose ELP3 is still with the DELL 1600p and if it's hard for him, don't even get me started, it doesn't seem so bad to me to go to 15-20 fps, you can even play it
Now moving on to the news
http://videocardz.com/52321/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-pictured
GeForce GTX 980 has two 6pin power connectors. There is a space for another 8pin connector, but we are more than sure it is not necessary. It is said that GeForce GTX 980 will require only 180W
We heard that GTX 980 and 970 may feature HDMI 2.0 support, but we were unable to confirm it.
Regards.-
If he has his monitor at 2560x1600, but since SLI doesn't work, he finally tried playing at 1080p on a TV, because at 1600p it's unplayable with a Titan, I haven't even tried it as I've been told it's so bad, I'll wait for it to go on sale and see if they release patches and drivers.
If the 980 thing is clear, but I think for your resolution it's better to hold out with the Titan, at least until a GM210 or 200 comes out, because then you might be able to get two GM204 or 214 cheaper and maybe a bit more powerful, they should have HDMI2 the same.
Looking at those 980s, it seems to me they won't be cheap, with back plate and all, it seems they use up to the PCB of the 780Ti, that dissipation looks good and that one, having to dissipate less heat, maybe won't need as much, but they can price it high, although what matters is the performance, but that 980 looks much higher quality than a reference 680.
Although it could happen as with the 770 that we don't see those references and only see custom models.
Many CCs bring the 980 down to the 970, let's see if that's reliable, although we can already see photos of them, they have a very low TDP, that 970 should have been the 960, at 250€, it seems to consume little.
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-coresregards
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They are already saying it will have 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
I see you with your ass a little tight, you have to outperform the 780 to justify the price anyway, we'll see the final frequencies. At a glance, 8% above with higher clocks, at the same clocks 3%-5%.
Something else is leaking:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
At the same clocks 10% slower than 780ti and 3% faster than 780.
There is less left.
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If you have your monitor at 2560x1600, but since SLI doesn't work, you've ended up trying to play at 1080p on a TV, because at 1600p it's unplayable with a Titan, I haven't even tried it as I've been told it's so bad, I'll wait for it to go on sale and see if they release patches and drivers.
I understand the 980 is clear, but I think for your resolution it's better to hold out with the Titan, at least until a GM210 or 200 comes out, because then you might be able to get two GM204 or 214 cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful, they should have HDMI2 the same.
Looking at those 980s, it seems to me they won't be cheap, with back plate and all, it seems they use up to the PCB of the 780Ti, that dissipation looks good and that with less heat to dissipate, it might not need as much, but they can price it high even though what matters is performance, but that 980 looks much higher quality than a reference 680.
Although it could happen as with the 770 that we don't see those references and only see custom models.
Many CCs are bringing the 980 down to the 970, let's see if that's reliable even though photos of them have already been seen, they have a very low TDP, that 970 should have been the 960, at 250€, it seems to consume little.
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-coresregards
They will surely release patches and drivers soon, seeing the data and prices of the GTX 980, for now it doesn't seem to be an interesting option, the GTX 970 looks better.
According to what was published today, the GTX 980 has a TDP of 175W and the GTX 970 of 145W, they look fresh and with low consumption with 3 displayports and an HDMI 2.0, they become tempting for my situation, the GTX 960 will have 2GB so they are ruled out.
Looking at the data, the ideal thing would be to hold out as you say with my Titan, it can't be that they don't have something that surpasses the GTX 780 Ti
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They are already saying it will have 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
I see them with their backs against the wall, they have to surpass the 780 to justify the price somehow, we'll see the final frequencies. At a glance, 8% higher with higher clocks, at the same clocks 3%-5%.
Something else is leaking:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
At the same clocks, 10% slower than 780ti and 3% faster than 780.
There's not much left.
The GTX 980 for 499 Euros is hard to digest when the GTX 780 is found for less than 450 Euros with practically the same performance, it's good to have 1 more of Vram and cooler but it doesn't justify it, it would be a big disappointment.
regards.-
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Ya se esta hablando que va a llevar 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
Les veo con el culo un poco apretado, tienen que superar a la 780 para justificar el precio como sea, veremos las frecuencias finales. A ojo de buen cubero, un 8% por arriba con clocks mas altos, a mismos clocks 3%-5%.
Se filtra algo mas:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
A mismos clocks 10% mas lenta que 780ti y 3% mas rapida que 780.
Ya queda menos.
De esos no me creo mucho, según ellos la 6970 era igual de potente o mas que la 580, además dice 780Ti a mas 1300, eso no es serio yo contaba que con OC podría escalar mejor un GK110, pero tenemos que ver lo que sube cada una.
Por eso yo no hago mucho caso a un popurrí de esos donde te sacan un global, que muestren juego a juego como debe ser y muestren mas resoluciones, aunque se que hasta que no las tenga la gente no podre sacar mucho en claro.
Saludos
@Patagonico:Seguro ya sacaran parche y drivers viendo los datos y precios de la GTX 980 por ahora no parece ser una opción interesante hasta tiene mejor pinta la GTX 970.
Según lo publicado hoy la GTX 980 tiene un TDP de 175W y la GTX 970 de 145W se ven frescas y con poco consumo con 3 displayports y un HDMI 2.0 se hacen tentadoras para mi situación, la GTX 960 tendrán 2GB asi quedan descartadas.
Viendo datos lo ideal seria aguantar como dices con mi Titan no puede ser que no tengan algo que supera a la GTX 780 Ti
Saludos.-
Driver si deben sacar pronto parche no lo se, creo que debemos esperar a ver que precio quedan, si rinden igual o poco mas deberían ser mas baratas, lo que hacen es eso abaratar costes, les debe salir mas barato hacer GM204 que GK110 y siendo 28nm ya no van a poder decir que el proceso es muy caro.
El TDP es el de una grafica gama media, si hubiera competencia de verdad esa 980 no se llamaría asi seria 960Ti, y la otra 960, pero abusan y eso manteniendo los 28nm, con un proceso mejor podrían hacer una 960 que rindiera como la 780Ti o mas y consumiera mucho menos, si lo hacen en 28nm aunque al final las cuelen como gama alta, con 20nm deberían poder mejorar consumo y rendimiento.
Luego la 960 supongo va a ser un GM206 con 192bits y debería tener 3GB de memoria, 2GB me parecen poco ya para esas tarjetas.
Con tu Titan no debes tener prisa, que esto del Hardware se mueve rápido y si aguantas 4 o 5 meses quizá te encuentras opciones bastante mejores para actualizar, y sobretodo mas económicas.
Ahora dicen que el precio de la 980 son 599$, o se han vuelto locos o quieren hacer el atraco del siglo, espero que no sea cierto por que sino deberían comérselas con patatas, ya como APPLE una gama media a precio de oro y sin escusas de proceso de fabricación mas caro.
Saludos
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With your Titan you shouldn't rush, because hardware moves fast and if you wait 4 or 5 months you might find much better options to upgrade, and above all more economical.
Now they say the price of the 980 is $599, either they have gone crazy or they want to pull off the robbery of the century, I hope it's not true because otherwise they should eat them with potatoes, already like APPLE a mid-range range at a gold price and without excuses of a more expensive manufacturing process.
Regards
You are right I should wait but as everything goes up constantly around here the price is not a factor to consider but the power and as you say $599 for it to perform the same as my Titan raised to 1202 has no color even for those who play at 1080p they have many more economical alternatives equally you have to wait until 19/09 because we went from costing initially $399 to $599 :wall: it doesn't make sense.
Regards.-
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You are right I should hold on but as everything goes up constantly in these parts the price is not a factor to consider but if the power and as you rightly say $599 for it to perform the same as my Titan boosted to 1202 has no comparison even for those who play at 1080p there are many more economical alternatives also we have to wait until 19/09 because we went from costing initially $ 399 to $ 599 :wall: it is not understandable.
Regards.-
It is a very strange move by Nvidia, a lot of difference in SP between 970 and 980, besides if that is the price they have gone too far but well.
I would be pained to spend 600€ and know that I am buying a 960Ti renamed to 980, they can put whatever backplate they want but it is a robbery, that it consumes so little only confirms to me that it is a performance chip, and it is scary how much they will want to ask for these for one of 20nm and a GM210 chip, although I suppose that with that one we will see an important leap in performance, but it does not justify having to pay 800 or 1000€ for a card.It is very little shame that a graphics card like this mid-range costs 50% more than a PS4, if those prices are true I hope they do not sell anything and have to lower them, I would not pay that.
regards
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According to the final specs:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
They are still positioning it below a 780 Ti, and it already comes with very high frequencies ….., mid-range chip, new architecture, less performance, 600 euros, whoever wants to buy it will have to pay....
Best regards.
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Segun dicen spect finales:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
La siguen dando por debajo de una 780 Ti, y viene ya muy subida de frecuencias ….., chip gama media alta, nueva arquitectura, menos rendimiento, 600 pavos, habrá el que se la compre....
Un saludo.
Yo no hago ni caso a esas frecuencias, por que al final el boost puede ser bastante distinto, esa con boost posiblemente pase de 1300mhz.
Lo del precio me cuesta creerlo, por que si van a hacer propaganda del bajo consumo, eso no les debería funcionar, el que tenga una 780 o 780ti lo normal es que no cambie a esas por el consumo, cambiarian mucho mas fácil si tuviera un TDP de 250W y rindiera un 50% mas.
Ademas con esos precios ni la gente que quiera actualizar, por que serian las dos muy caras, es que por mucho que nos cuenten son 28nm igual y no hay escusas de que es un proceso verde o caro por que ya debe estar mucho mas depurado y barato.
Espero que eso no sea verdad por que sino fácil que en un par de semanas metan un recorte de por lo menos 100€ a la 980 y a la 970 igual debían ponerla a 350 o menos.
Rendimiento no hagp caso hasta que no salga por que es solo especular pero tampoco espero milagros.
saludos
@Patagonico:Tienes razón debería aguantar pero como todo sube por estos lados constantemente el precio no es un factor a tener en cuenta pero si la potencia y como bien dices 599$ para que rinda igual a mi Titan subida a 1202 no tiene color incluso para los que juegan a 1080p tienen muchas alternativas mas económicas igualmente hay que esperar al 19/09 por pasamos de costar inicialmente $ 399 a $ 599 :wall: no se entiende.
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Como sea verdad el precio ese de 330$ de la 970 y si rinde como una 780 o mas, van a vender un monton, no termino de creerlo por que un dia se dice una cosa y al siguiente otra, pero esas graficas si salen a ese precio en pocas semanas están a unos 300€ y en la campaña navideña venderían bastante, esta se ve muy bonita y con buenos detalles.
http://videocardz.com/52421/msi-geforce-gtx-970-gaming-with-twinfrozr-v-cooling-detailed
Ya tenemos algo con juegos y es sorprendente, espero a verlo cuando lo tenga la gente, no tiran tan mal aunque no son para resoluciones altas,
http://videocardz.com/52524/first-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-review-leaks-out
Como sea verdad esto de los 329$ las van a vender a montones, sobretodo la 970 aunque parece que la 980 le sacera un margen importante en rendimiento, pero a ver a que precio.
NVIDIA Maxwell GeForce GTX 980 and GeForce GTX 970 Performance Numbers Leaked - GTX 980 15% Faster Than R9 290X, GTX 970 10% Faster Than R9 290La MSI esa que tiene 8+6 de alimentación como esas graficas permitan desbloquear voltajes creo que veremos OC importantes.
saludos
@Javisoft:Segun dicen spect finales:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
La siguen dando por debajo de una 780 Ti, y viene ya muy subida de frecuencias ….., chip gama media alta, nueva arquitectura, menos rendimiento, 600 pavos, habrá el que se la compre....
Un saludo.
Parece que han fallado ellos y muchos también nos ha ocurrido, la grafica no rinde nada mal, la pena es el precio de la 980, pero la jugada es clara, Nvidia no se va a tirar piedras a su tejado teniendo la sarten por el mango.
No quiere canibalizar y bajar demasiado la 780 y 780ti, pone la 970 como su caballo ganador, se va a hinchar a venderlas y la otra pues como mas exclusiva para no canibalizar a las Ti, aunque le tocara ajustar precios en todas.
En cuanto se estabilice la 970 a 330€ creo que va a ser la grafica de estas navidades para muchos, AMD lo tiene mal por que con 512 bits son graficas que no podrá bajar demasiado, además sus Partner que tampoco van a ganar si las baja mucho de precio, deben ser caras.
Deberá sacar algo que le salga mas barato y mejorar bastante la eficiencia, por que Nvidia esas las puede estirar como el chicle con esos TDP.saludos
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Well we already have reviews everywhere, in conclusion, a scam:
6% faster on average in stock ref over 780 ti, at equal clocks 10% slower, with overclock 12%.
As nvidia is running and stores are to discontinue 780, holy moly ….
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Well we already have reviews everywhere, in conclusion, a scam:
6% faster on average in stock ref over 780 ti, at the same clocks 10% slower, with overclock 12%.
As it's running nvidia and the stores to discontinue 780, oh my ….
You wouldn't expect miracles on 28nm, right? to my face it seems like the 980 but it must be recognized that with the same manufacturing process they have improved a lot and being the mid-range that will be somewhat cut, that would be thought for 20nm.
The 780s will be discontinued quickly, but the 970 as soon as it stabilizes in price is a treat for many people with series 600 and earlier.
For those who have 780, 290 or higher it's not worth it but for previous series it can be quite worth it, people with 670, 560ti,660 won't come out badly with a 970.
To me the miracle seems to be lowering to 165w TDP and performing like the high-end of its previous generation, that while maintaining the same manufacturing process, although of course it would be much better if they had gone to 230W and come out with something that clearly stands out in performance.
The same Nvidia compares against 680, they see that the people who could upgrade are those who have series 600 or earlier, although of course from a 760 you should already notice the improvement.
regards
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I don't know if you've heard that the famous 3dmark chart is based on data collected from websites and estimates from the site itself. In fact, the 3dmark screenshots are from January if I remember correctly, so they don't have anything tangible to publish while the NDA is in place.
Also, you're acting as a futurologist about the performance of the GM204. I don't know if you have data to contribute, but I can tell you that a 750 Ti is not faster than a 650 Ti Boost. Comparing the similar vs 780 Ti, it's 50% less bandwidth and bus with the +35% push of Maxwell.
There's talk that the GM204 will come with 1920 CUDA cores (15 SM) and 32 ROPs, based on the chip size seen in the leak.
With these characteristics, I don't doubt, but I almost guarantee that it's not more powerful than a 780 Ti and barely more powerful than a 780.
Same example in 750 Ti vs 650 Ti Boost, 650 Ti 768 CUDA cores vs 750 Ti 640 CUDA cores, 192 bits vs 128 bits, very similar percentages to see that the 980 would have to have at least 2560 CUDA cores and 64 ROPs to outperform the GK110.
The 1920 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs simply can't perform like the 2880 CUDA cores of Kepler and even the 2/4 MB of L2, double registers or the 128 KB of L1 won't make up for the -50% bandwidth and 25% less CUDA cores.
The architecture is good, well implemented, very modular and scalable, but the 780 Ti performs like a beast and NVIDIA will have to put meat on the grill if they want to approach or surpass it.
The rest are mere conjectures we're making, otherwise, we'll see it on Friday XD.
Best regards.
What a powned you got, didn't you?, after saying against all odds that they were slower than the 780/Ti… :ffu::ffu:
¡Zas! That's a blow. They're 7.5% faster than the Ti, at 4K. The same they get at 1080p. And cheaper, by the way.
And with OC they gain more performance, out of the factory tight, nothing:
Given that they gain 14.6% with OC (a good OC anywhere in the world of GPUs), that multiplies the average result before of 107.5% of a Ti, this is:
123% of the performance of a GTX 780 Ti (yes, and I refuse to explain that percentages don't add up, who doesn't know why should review their math).
Where are those cards that were going to be slower? Ayayayyyy….
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This reminds me of Lope's olives... :ugly:
Edit: @wwwendigo: And the source is...
