First tests of Nvidia's 980 and 970
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If you have your monitor at 2560x1600, but since SLI doesn't work, you've ended up trying to play at 1080p on a TV, because at 1600p it's unplayable with a Titan, I haven't even tried it as I've been told it's so bad, I'll wait for it to go on sale and see if they release patches and drivers.
I understand the 980 is clear, but I think for your resolution it's better to hold out with the Titan, at least until a GM210 or 200 comes out, because then you might be able to get two GM204 or 214 cheaper and possibly a bit more powerful, they should have HDMI2 the same.
Looking at those 980s, it seems to me they won't be cheap, with back plate and all, it seems they use up to the PCB of the 780Ti, that dissipation looks good and that with less heat to dissipate, it might not need as much, but they can price it high even though what matters is performance, but that 980 looks much higher quality than a reference 680.
Although it could happen as with the 770 that we don't see those references and only see custom models.
Many CCs are bringing the 980 down to the 970, let's see if that's reliable even though photos of them have already been seen, they have a very low TDP, that 970 should have been the 960, at 250€, it seems to consume little.
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-coresregards
They will surely release patches and drivers soon, seeing the data and prices of the GTX 980, for now it doesn't seem to be an interesting option, the GTX 970 looks better.
According to what was published today, the GTX 980 has a TDP of 175W and the GTX 970 of 145W, they look fresh and with low consumption with 3 displayports and an HDMI 2.0, they become tempting for my situation, the GTX 960 will have 2GB so they are ruled out.
Looking at the data, the ideal thing would be to hold out as you say with my Titan, it can't be that they don't have something that surpasses the GTX 780 Ti
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They are already saying it will have 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
I see them with their backs against the wall, they have to surpass the 780 to justify the price somehow, we'll see the final frequencies. At a glance, 8% higher with higher clocks, at the same clocks 3%-5%.
Something else is leaking:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
At the same clocks, 10% slower than 780ti and 3% faster than 780.
There's not much left.
The GTX 980 for 499 Euros is hard to digest when the GTX 780 is found for less than 450 Euros with practically the same performance, it's good to have 1 more of Vram and cooler but it doesn't justify it, it would be a big disappointment.
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Ya se esta hablando que va a llevar 2048 ( 16 smm
http://videocardz.com/52339/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-has-2048-cuda-cores
Les veo con el culo un poco apretado, tienen que superar a la 780 para justificar el precio como sea, veremos las frecuencias finales. A ojo de buen cubero, un 8% por arriba con clocks mas altos, a mismos clocks 3%-5%.
Se filtra algo mas:
http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GeForce-GTX-980-Performance-Numbers.jpg
A mismos clocks 10% mas lenta que 780ti y 3% mas rapida que 780.
Ya queda menos.
De esos no me creo mucho, según ellos la 6970 era igual de potente o mas que la 580, además dice 780Ti a mas 1300, eso no es serio yo contaba que con OC podría escalar mejor un GK110, pero tenemos que ver lo que sube cada una.
Por eso yo no hago mucho caso a un popurrí de esos donde te sacan un global, que muestren juego a juego como debe ser y muestren mas resoluciones, aunque se que hasta que no las tenga la gente no podre sacar mucho en claro.
Saludos
@Patagonico:Seguro ya sacaran parche y drivers viendo los datos y precios de la GTX 980 por ahora no parece ser una opción interesante hasta tiene mejor pinta la GTX 970.
Según lo publicado hoy la GTX 980 tiene un TDP de 175W y la GTX 970 de 145W se ven frescas y con poco consumo con 3 displayports y un HDMI 2.0 se hacen tentadoras para mi situación, la GTX 960 tendrán 2GB asi quedan descartadas.
Viendo datos lo ideal seria aguantar como dices con mi Titan no puede ser que no tengan algo que supera a la GTX 780 Ti
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Driver si deben sacar pronto parche no lo se, creo que debemos esperar a ver que precio quedan, si rinden igual o poco mas deberían ser mas baratas, lo que hacen es eso abaratar costes, les debe salir mas barato hacer GM204 que GK110 y siendo 28nm ya no van a poder decir que el proceso es muy caro.
El TDP es el de una grafica gama media, si hubiera competencia de verdad esa 980 no se llamaría asi seria 960Ti, y la otra 960, pero abusan y eso manteniendo los 28nm, con un proceso mejor podrían hacer una 960 que rindiera como la 780Ti o mas y consumiera mucho menos, si lo hacen en 28nm aunque al final las cuelen como gama alta, con 20nm deberían poder mejorar consumo y rendimiento.
Luego la 960 supongo va a ser un GM206 con 192bits y debería tener 3GB de memoria, 2GB me parecen poco ya para esas tarjetas.
Con tu Titan no debes tener prisa, que esto del Hardware se mueve rápido y si aguantas 4 o 5 meses quizá te encuentras opciones bastante mejores para actualizar, y sobretodo mas económicas.
Ahora dicen que el precio de la 980 son 599$, o se han vuelto locos o quieren hacer el atraco del siglo, espero que no sea cierto por que sino deberían comérselas con patatas, ya como APPLE una gama media a precio de oro y sin escusas de proceso de fabricación mas caro.
Saludos
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With your Titan you shouldn't rush, because hardware moves fast and if you wait 4 or 5 months you might find much better options to upgrade, and above all more economical.
Now they say the price of the 980 is $599, either they have gone crazy or they want to pull off the robbery of the century, I hope it's not true because otherwise they should eat them with potatoes, already like APPLE a mid-range range at a gold price and without excuses of a more expensive manufacturing process.
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You are right I should wait but as everything goes up constantly around here the price is not a factor to consider but the power and as you say $599 for it to perform the same as my Titan raised to 1202 has no color even for those who play at 1080p they have many more economical alternatives equally you have to wait until 19/09 because we went from costing initially $399 to $599 :wall: it doesn't make sense.
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You are right I should hold on but as everything goes up constantly in these parts the price is not a factor to consider but if the power and as you rightly say $599 for it to perform the same as my Titan boosted to 1202 has no comparison even for those who play at 1080p there are many more economical alternatives also we have to wait until 19/09 because we went from costing initially $ 399 to $ 599 :wall: it is not understandable.
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It is a very strange move by Nvidia, a lot of difference in SP between 970 and 980, besides if that is the price they have gone too far but well.
I would be pained to spend 600€ and know that I am buying a 960Ti renamed to 980, they can put whatever backplate they want but it is a robbery, that it consumes so little only confirms to me that it is a performance chip, and it is scary how much they will want to ask for these for one of 20nm and a GM210 chip, although I suppose that with that one we will see an important leap in performance, but it does not justify having to pay 800 or 1000€ for a card.It is very little shame that a graphics card like this mid-range costs 50% more than a PS4, if those prices are true I hope they do not sell anything and have to lower them, I would not pay that.
regards
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According to the final specs:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
They are still positioning it below a 780 Ti, and it already comes with very high frequencies ….., mid-range chip, new architecture, less performance, 600 euros, whoever wants to buy it will have to pay....
Best regards.
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Segun dicen spect finales:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
La siguen dando por debajo de una 780 Ti, y viene ya muy subida de frecuencias ….., chip gama media alta, nueva arquitectura, menos rendimiento, 600 pavos, habrá el que se la compre....
Un saludo.
Yo no hago ni caso a esas frecuencias, por que al final el boost puede ser bastante distinto, esa con boost posiblemente pase de 1300mhz.
Lo del precio me cuesta creerlo, por que si van a hacer propaganda del bajo consumo, eso no les debería funcionar, el que tenga una 780 o 780ti lo normal es que no cambie a esas por el consumo, cambiarian mucho mas fácil si tuviera un TDP de 250W y rindiera un 50% mas.
Ademas con esos precios ni la gente que quiera actualizar, por que serian las dos muy caras, es que por mucho que nos cuenten son 28nm igual y no hay escusas de que es un proceso verde o caro por que ya debe estar mucho mas depurado y barato.
Espero que eso no sea verdad por que sino fácil que en un par de semanas metan un recorte de por lo menos 100€ a la 980 y a la 970 igual debían ponerla a 350 o menos.
Rendimiento no hagp caso hasta que no salga por que es solo especular pero tampoco espero milagros.
saludos
@Patagonico:Tienes razón debería aguantar pero como todo sube por estos lados constantemente el precio no es un factor a tener en cuenta pero si la potencia y como bien dices 599$ para que rinda igual a mi Titan subida a 1202 no tiene color incluso para los que juegan a 1080p tienen muchas alternativas mas económicas igualmente hay que esperar al 19/09 por pasamos de costar inicialmente $ 399 a $ 599 :wall: no se entiende.
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Como sea verdad el precio ese de 330$ de la 970 y si rinde como una 780 o mas, van a vender un monton, no termino de creerlo por que un dia se dice una cosa y al siguiente otra, pero esas graficas si salen a ese precio en pocas semanas están a unos 300€ y en la campaña navideña venderían bastante, esta se ve muy bonita y con buenos detalles.
http://videocardz.com/52421/msi-geforce-gtx-970-gaming-with-twinfrozr-v-cooling-detailed
Ya tenemos algo con juegos y es sorprendente, espero a verlo cuando lo tenga la gente, no tiran tan mal aunque no son para resoluciones altas,
http://videocardz.com/52524/first-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-review-leaks-out
Como sea verdad esto de los 329$ las van a vender a montones, sobretodo la 970 aunque parece que la 980 le sacera un margen importante en rendimiento, pero a ver a que precio.
NVIDIA Maxwell GeForce GTX 980 and GeForce GTX 970 Performance Numbers Leaked - GTX 980 15% Faster Than R9 290X, GTX 970 10% Faster Than R9 290La MSI esa que tiene 8+6 de alimentación como esas graficas permitan desbloquear voltajes creo que veremos OC importantes.
saludos
@Javisoft:Segun dicen spect finales:
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications
La siguen dando por debajo de una 780 Ti, y viene ya muy subida de frecuencias ….., chip gama media alta, nueva arquitectura, menos rendimiento, 600 pavos, habrá el que se la compre....
Un saludo.
Parece que han fallado ellos y muchos también nos ha ocurrido, la grafica no rinde nada mal, la pena es el precio de la 980, pero la jugada es clara, Nvidia no se va a tirar piedras a su tejado teniendo la sarten por el mango.
No quiere canibalizar y bajar demasiado la 780 y 780ti, pone la 970 como su caballo ganador, se va a hinchar a venderlas y la otra pues como mas exclusiva para no canibalizar a las Ti, aunque le tocara ajustar precios en todas.
En cuanto se estabilice la 970 a 330€ creo que va a ser la grafica de estas navidades para muchos, AMD lo tiene mal por que con 512 bits son graficas que no podrá bajar demasiado, además sus Partner que tampoco van a ganar si las baja mucho de precio, deben ser caras.
Deberá sacar algo que le salga mas barato y mejorar bastante la eficiencia, por que Nvidia esas las puede estirar como el chicle con esos TDP.saludos
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Well we already have reviews everywhere, in conclusion, a scam:
6% faster on average in stock ref over 780 ti, at equal clocks 10% slower, with overclock 12%.
As nvidia is running and stores are to discontinue 780, holy moly ….
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Well we already have reviews everywhere, in conclusion, a scam:
6% faster on average in stock ref over 780 ti, at the same clocks 10% slower, with overclock 12%.
As it's running nvidia and the stores to discontinue 780, oh my ….
You wouldn't expect miracles on 28nm, right? to my face it seems like the 980 but it must be recognized that with the same manufacturing process they have improved a lot and being the mid-range that will be somewhat cut, that would be thought for 20nm.
The 780s will be discontinued quickly, but the 970 as soon as it stabilizes in price is a treat for many people with series 600 and earlier.
For those who have 780, 290 or higher it's not worth it but for previous series it can be quite worth it, people with 670, 560ti,660 won't come out badly with a 970.
To me the miracle seems to be lowering to 165w TDP and performing like the high-end of its previous generation, that while maintaining the same manufacturing process, although of course it would be much better if they had gone to 230W and come out with something that clearly stands out in performance.
The same Nvidia compares against 680, they see that the people who could upgrade are those who have series 600 or earlier, although of course from a 760 you should already notice the improvement.
regards
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I don't know if you've heard that the famous 3dmark chart is based on data collected from websites and estimates from the site itself. In fact, the 3dmark screenshots are from January if I remember correctly, so they don't have anything tangible to publish while the NDA is in place.
Also, you're acting as a futurologist about the performance of the GM204. I don't know if you have data to contribute, but I can tell you that a 750 Ti is not faster than a 650 Ti Boost. Comparing the similar vs 780 Ti, it's 50% less bandwidth and bus with the +35% push of Maxwell.
There's talk that the GM204 will come with 1920 CUDA cores (15 SM) and 32 ROPs, based on the chip size seen in the leak.
With these characteristics, I don't doubt, but I almost guarantee that it's not more powerful than a 780 Ti and barely more powerful than a 780.
Same example in 750 Ti vs 650 Ti Boost, 650 Ti 768 CUDA cores vs 750 Ti 640 CUDA cores, 192 bits vs 128 bits, very similar percentages to see that the 980 would have to have at least 2560 CUDA cores and 64 ROPs to outperform the GK110.
The 1920 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs simply can't perform like the 2880 CUDA cores of Kepler and even the 2/4 MB of L2, double registers or the 128 KB of L1 won't make up for the -50% bandwidth and 25% less CUDA cores.
The architecture is good, well implemented, very modular and scalable, but the 780 Ti performs like a beast and NVIDIA will have to put meat on the grill if they want to approach or surpass it.
The rest are mere conjectures we're making, otherwise, we'll see it on Friday XD.
Best regards.
What a powned you got, didn't you?, after saying against all odds that they were slower than the 780/Ti… :ffu::ffu:
¡Zas! That's a blow. They're 7.5% faster than the Ti, at 4K. The same they get at 1080p. And cheaper, by the way.
And with OC they gain more performance, out of the factory tight, nothing:
Given that they gain 14.6% with OC (a good OC anywhere in the world of GPUs), that multiplies the average result before of 107.5% of a Ti, this is:
123% of the performance of a GTX 780 Ti (yes, and I refuse to explain that percentages don't add up, who doesn't know why should review their math).
Where are those cards that were going to be slower? Ayayayyyy….
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This reminds me of Lope's olives... :ugly:
Edit: @wwwendigo: And the source is...
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This reminds me of Lope's olives... :ugly:
Edit: @wwwendigo: And the source is...
This one:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/1.html
A review that I especially like because it tests many games and many resolutions, yyy…. and the tests are more or less up to date with other graphics cards (they run all the tests every now and then on all graphics cards).
In reviews like the ones from anandtech, techreport, you can see easy OCs of 1400-1500 MHz with the hat, and performance improvements of 15-20%.
The cards are more than enough, I don't know why we keep comparing cuda cores and other things that have nothing to do with it (the real minimum unit of shader execution is not a CC, it's at the SMX/SMM level), haven't we learned anything with the GTX 750 Ti?
At that point it should have been clear that maxwell got more practical and real performance with "less hard" thanks to the rebalancing of much of its design. Moreover, it's not even a direct transfer of maxwell on a larger scale, it's literally a maxwell 2.0, the issue of ROPs, seeing that the L2 didn't grow, all the new features for DX11.x and 12 support, etc.
None of the rules of the game with previous kepler apply with maxwell, they are very different.
PD: Something that really catches my attention is the performance improvement in cases where "proAMD" games are used that rendered "badly" on Kepler, many seem to run significantly better on Maxwell, it seems to be a side effect of the redesign of the architecture to increase its practicality and sustained operation.
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I don't know if there's a trick to this, but that 980 frequency seems amazing to me, it doesn't seem so tight if a model already uploaded reaches that boost, they should have shown captures but if it goes up to that it doesn't seem like they're going up badly.
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 G1 Gaming review - Overclocking The Graphics Card
At least the afterburner does show the bar at full and 1547mhz, I don't know if it's an error but if it's true it seems like it goes up quite a bit.
I don't know if the bios can be edited for this and the power target can be increased a lot and more voltage can be added, but however it can be done it seems like they go up.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=26927253
regards
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What a powned you've got, right?, after saying against all odds that they were slower than the 780/Ti… :ffu::ffu:
¡Zas! There goes the kick. 7.5% faster than the Ti, at 4K. The same as it pulls at 1080p. And cheaper, by the way.
As a 2-screen 4K user, what convinced me was the SLI 970 for $150 more than the GTX 980, there's quite a difference in performance, with most games staying around 60 fps, with some exceptions.
With HDMI 2.0 and HEVC support, I'm almost bought on the Asus Strix SLI GTX 970, and who doesn't say a third if the scaling is good in a TRI, unless information comes out that shows me that the future 20nm maxwell is very good in performance, in which case I doubt it will be cheaper than an SLI GTX 970
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Hello everyone.
The truth is that I am totally disconnected from this little world, it is good to do so even if you don't believe me...;)
However, I have been very surprised by the new architecture. It really has a potential and efficiency never seen before...
My curiosity has been so piqued, that perhaps with luck, as I still have contacts, in a few hours we will see a few GTX 980 in action...;D
Best regards.
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Hello everyone.
The truth is that I am totally disconnected from this little world, it's good to do it even if you don't believe me..;)
However, I have been very surprised by the new architecture. It really has a potential and efficiency never seen before..
My curiosity has been so piqued, that perhaps with luck, as I still have contacts, in a few hours we will see a few GTX 980 in action….;D
Best regards.
Welcome, although you should not expect much in terms of performance against your Titans although perhaps you will show us some wonders in terms of OC.
Regards.
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Hello everyone.
The truth is that I'm totally disconnected from this little world, it's good to do it even if you don't believe me..;)
However, I was very surprised by the new architecture. It really has a potential and efficiency never seen before..
My curiosity was so piqued, that perhaps with luck, as I still have contacts, in a few hours we'll see a few GTX 980 in action….;D
Best regards.
That's that, you go ahead because these are the ones we like the most, here we see all the pros and cons, I'm surprised with some OCs that are seen, with stock voltages nothing modified.
But you know that many appreciate you giving your first-hand opinion after knowing almost all the current cards.
Kinping already put the EVGA to over 2GHZ of GPU-Z, it wouldn't be strange that in reality they are 2.2ghz, because it seems that it has boost.
EVGA, K|NGP|N and TiN Break New Records with EVGA GeForce GTX 980 | techPowerUp
Best regards
Welcome, although you shouldn't expect much in terms of performance against your Titan although perhaps you'll show us some wonders in terms of OC.
Best regards.
In your case, it must be better to have three than two, three 970 should perform better at those resolutions, two 980 will have the advantage if a third is added later, but buying at once is better to have three.
It's that for the price of two 980 you get three 970, and if we talk already between one 980 and two 970 the difference will be quite large in favor of two, although a bit more expensive.
Although for 4K I wouldn't put 2 customized, I would put at least one stock, if it's a good cooler like the one on the Titan even better, because they could get hot, especially the one on top.
Best regards
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I already have them around here.
The TITANs are monsters, but it has to be acknowledged that they haven't gone very far... I'm having problems with them and I haven't put voltage.De into one of them for centuries. In fact, I have no choice but to do an RMA on one of them already, because it's more like that way than this way.
That's one of the main reasons.Si. If the 4 would work with all their potential, I wouldn't bother to try them out... but well, it's already impossible to find TITANs and besides, the price would be absurd.
I'll upload something later.
bye for now.
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In your case, it must be better to have 3 than two, three 970s should perform better at those resolutions, two 980s will have the advantage if a third is added later, but buying three at once is better.
It's that for the price of two 980s, you can get three 970s, and if we talk about the difference between one 980 and two 970s, the difference will be quite large in favor of two, although a bit more expensive.
regards
Knowing ELP3, he won't go below 3 or 4 graphics, he will surely give good reference on scaling, I think with 2 970s I'm well served, but for the price of these 970s, it's not a problem to add a third after reading a lot, I'm passing on the Asus Strix, even though I love that they are 0db, having 50ºC at idle on 2 graphics doesn't appeal to me, the reference ones with their 24 cm by 11.5 would be ideal to keep distance between them in SLI.
Regards.
I already have them around here.
The TITANs are monsters, but it must be recognized that they haven't gone very far... I'm having problems with them and that's because I haven't put voltage.De on them for ages, in fact, I have no choice but to do an RMA on one already, because it's more this way than that.
That's one of the main reasons.Si if the 4 would work with all their potential, I wouldn't bother to try them..but well, it's already impossible to find TITANs and besides, the price would be absurd.
I'll upload something later.
salu2.
How fast it counts, how many 2,3,4
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I already have them around here.
The TITAN are monsters, but it has to be recognized that they haven't gone very far... I'm having problems with them and even though it's been ages since I put voltaje.De in fact, I have no choice but to do an RMA for one already, because it's more like that way than this way.
That's one of the main motivos.Si. If the 4 would work with all their potential, I wouldn't bother to try them... but well, it's already impossible to find TITAN and besides, the price would be absurd.
I'll upload something later.
salu2.
Yes, for anyone who has graphics cards like the Titan, 780, 780Ti, it's not worth changing, although people end up doing it to tinker or to reduce noise and consumption, but it's a shame that there isn't more competition because with Maxwell they could bring out graphics cards that are quite powerful even in 28nm.
The performance per watt leaves Kepler at a standstill and even more so GCN, the bad thing is that they're going to give it drop by drop.
Saludos
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Bueno empecemos por algo:
