[Review by ELP3] AMD Radeon FURY X
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Just passing by to say, ELP3 was right. The Furiouses are not that furious.
Check out this REVIEW
Here the channel on YT with the videos.
Best regards.
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Just passing by to say, ELP3 was right. The Furious ones are not that furious.
Check out this REVIEW
Here's the channel on YT with the videos.
Best regards.
how much is that 980? that should go over 1500, that's not an OC model, it must be an oced one, anyway it seems that the 980 performs well with OC.
let's see if I find one for less than 300€, let's see if they release a refresh like the 770, although it doesn't seem like they need it, things are bad for buying graphics cards.best regards
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how much is that 980? it should go over 1500, that's not an OC model, it must be an oceada, anyway it seems that the 980 performs well with OC.
let's see if I see one for less than 300€, let's see if they release a refresh like the 770, although it doesn't seem like they need it, things are bad for buying graphics.regards
It's a GTX 980 G1 Fjavi…. It's the same as the review they did..
PS: I want to change my graphics card too, but I'm not willing to pay +300€ for anything, at that price it's complicated to find something that justifies leaving the old GTX 680
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It's a GTX 980 G1 Fjavi…. It's the same as the review they did..
PS: I want to change my graphics card too, but I'm not willing to pay +300€ for anything, for that price it's complicated to find something that justifies leaving the old GTX 680
Well, I assure you that the GTX 980 is much faster (mostly because I've gone through a GTX 670, 770 and the 970, and the last jump was quite noticeable), with clarity as well.
Another matter is that this change isn't worth the +300€, which is a personal thing, but I don't see much need to change compulsively either (although I've made the changes before, in no case was it for real "need" but rather for the desire to tinker and see how things were improving, sometimes with the attraction of getting games that I had earmarked anyway, as is the case with the GTX 770).
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Man, I assure you that the GTX 980 is much faster (mostly because I've gone through a GTX 670, 770 and the 970, and the last jump was noticeable, quite a bit), with clarity as well.
Another matter is that this change isn't worth the +300€ for you, that's a personal thing, but I don't see much need to compulsively change either (although I've made the changes before, in no case was it for real "need" but for the desire to tinker and see how things were improving, sometimes with the attraction of getting games that I had earmarked anyway, like with the GTX 770).
The point is, do you need to change. A while ago I stopped buying and buying with every release, new model or things like that. I stopped at the GTX 680 because it simply responds well to 1080p@60Fps in a large part of the games, leaving out the frame-eating machines already known like Crysis 3, MetroLL/2033 with their absurd and heavy features… Everything goes like silk. But, every now and then the itch gets in and I have to throw the card away to avoid problems with my partner jajajaja
Look at the SOM with its maximum quality + FXAA Only at 1080p. I don't know where the benchtool gets those minimum frames from, I don't see them at any point during the test.
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For me, if it's something personal, I wouldn't pay much more than 300€ for a GM204, because it's a mid-range product and that's what it should cost.
I don't dispute that it's a good graphics card, that it performs well and goes up, but I refuse to collaborate in the price increase of graphics cards from recent years.
It's my way of protesting, not buying at any price.regards
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For me, it is something personal not to pay much more than 300€ for a GM204, because it is a mid-range and that is what it should be worth.
If I don't argue that it is good graphics, that it performs well and goes up but that I refuse to collaborate in the increase in prices of graphics cards in recent years.
It is the way I have to protest, not to buy at any price.regards
In the last change I made I was stupid, a little bit. jejejeje I went from SLi GTX 460 to GTX 680, well, I gained less consumption, new technology and such. But the performance was the same, the GTX 460 cost me 308€ or something like that, the GTX 680 cost me almost 600€… Look at the price difference. I don't fall into the trap again, I'm not 20 years old anymore jajajajaja If I find a GTX 680 at a good price, about 120€, I prefer SLI than to spend another fortune on a GTX 980Ti or something below.
Not to mention that when I went into the stores, at that time a graphics card cost 150$ in the USA and 150€ here in Spain, now... 150$ there become 200€ here.
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The GTX 980, even though it's a media.Es product, is absolutely perfect in every way.
Incredible performance, low power consumption for what it gives, amazing overclocking.
The only thing that stands out is its price.
If that graphics card cost around 400, at most 450€, it would have no rival.
At 4K it defends itself in a great way.
Anyone, which I know is difficult, but not impossible. Who has or has had a GTX 980 (even more so if it's a good model like G1, stryx etc.) and a Fury with or without X. Knows that the real difference in performance is practically zero between one and the other.
If it's resolutions of 1080p and 2K, which is really what this graphics card is designed for, the GTX 980 takes the cake without any palliatives. And at 4K it holds its own perfectly against the Fury without X. And if we overclock it, which is logical given that potential there. It does so without any problem against the X.De anyway, with only 4GB of VRAM available, neither is suitable for 4K.
It's tough for AMD, and I think for everyone, but in the end after so much waiting and so much history of HBMs, web smoke and so on.. certainly the only thing they have managed to bring out is a product closer to what NVIDIA already had on the market many months ago, consuming clearly much more, with the same GB of VRAM, much more expensive and on top with the "handicap" of their drivers.
Personally, I have continued to prefer to bet on the GTX 980s, rather than the fury… better a bad known than a good one to know. I speak for the second team. The TITANES X and 980 TIs with modded bios are out of that equation.
Although I imagine that sooner or later (more likely later as unfortunately tends to be usual in AMD) the fury will be unmasked and achieve a performance more in line with what is expected. Especially at standard resolutions of 1080p and 2K. Because really there is the bulk of buyers and in those resolutions they have a very clear problem. And a very big one at that.
Regards.
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ELP3:
The Fury are still GCN 1.2 chips, they don't bring any architectural novelty compared to Tonga, so there's nothing new to exploit with drivers, nothing that wasn't already pending with Tonga anyway.
I wouldn't expect miraculous drivers, AMD has been releasing very conservative iterations of their chips, NVIDIA made a much more acute architectural leap in Maxwell 1.0, and in fact the jump to 2.0 is superior to any jump between GCN revisions. Mind that the basic structure of MIMD used in AMD hasn't been touched NOT ONE COMMA with GCN 1.x, while with NVIDIA it has been touched several times, even within Kepler (big Kepler is not the same as the others, even the GK210 has changes compared to big Kepler at this point).
Not even AMD has balanced issues like tessellation to increase linearly with the power of the chip. Technically speaking, Tonga and Fiji are exactly the same in this regard, although Fiji has better tessellation figures in practice because it has much more power in everything else (after all, in any tessellation test, something more than this is done, the triangle is "rasterized" no matter how simple the process).
In contrast, GM200 vs GM204, or GK110 vs GK100, and Fermi also, all scale their tessellation power according to the power of the GPU.
Handrox:
I have rarely paid more than 300€ for a GPU, yes I have done it several times for little as with the GTX 970, and the most "crazy" was paying almost 400€ for a GTX 670 when it was released. But it is also true that very few times have mid-range graphics cards been clearly above 200€. The GTX 560 Ti was a bit over, the 8800GT, idem.
Only anomalies like the GTX 260 for less than 180€ when released (the 216) deviated from this rule. But before that with the mid-range or mid-high ranges you could spend a "interesting" amount of money like for the 7900 GT where I exceeded 300€ again.
But it must also be taken into account that years pass, prices go up as life in general goes up (it is supposed that salaries also go up, but we already know how that goes :ugly:), and now what used to be 200€ asks for 250 or 300€ being "the same price" with accumulated inflation.
If we add the devaluation of the euro, this ends up gestating "the monster" of all imports. Plus VAT that of course they put in bigger than ever, so that "we dilate" our pockets.
If we were in pre-crisis times and with the euro-dollar at almost 1.50, we would see things like:
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The GTX 980 perhaps reaching 400€, or a little more (current price, 499$).
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The GTX 980 Ti over 550€, more or less.
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The GTX 970 for 250€.
Do the same calculation for AMD prices.
It may sound like "madness", but this is what has happened with prices in recent years compared to the American market, mind that I don't even bother to talk about the fact that prices with inflation in the US itself are equivalent to lower prices before, no. I just adapt the American MSRP a bit to our prices as the conversion was done here before (which was never a 1:1 exchange, rather something like 1:1.2 in our favor).
If we look at prices this way they don't seem so "exorbitant" anymore, what we have to understand is that the EU is suffering from an increase in the cost of imported products, especially.
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wwwendigo In the Fermi era, I earned my 2500€/month, today I struggle to reach or exceed 1000€/month :wall: The salary fell and prices rose. :ffu:
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wwwendigo In the Fermi era, I earned my 2500€/month, today I struggle to reach or exceed 1000€/month :wall: Wages fell and prices rose. :ffu:
Well, besides that. I was assuming that I had kept the same job as before the crisis. It's a lot to assume, of course. But if that had happened, we would still have lost purchasing power and more with imports with the euro being a mess (for some it's "better" but for the workers it's not so much, since we consume a lot of imports and don't benefit from exports directly).
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In the last change I made, I was stupid, a little. jejejeje I went from the SLi GTX 460 to the GTX 680, well, I gained less consumption, new technology and stuff. But the performance was the same, the GTX 460 cost me 308€ or something like that, the GTX 680 cost me almost 600€… Look at the price difference. I won't fall into the trap again, I'm not 20 years old anymore jajajajaja If I find a GTX 680 at a good price, about 120€, I prefer SLI than spending another fortune on a GTX 980Ti or something lower.
Not to mention that when I went into the stores, back then a graphics card cost 150$ in the USA and 150€ here in Spain, now... 150$ there turn into 200€ here.
Well, I think you have to know how to buy and have patience, I bought two 480 just to go out and then in a few months they would drop a lot, that's why I don't buy anything at launch anymore, I wait for it to drop.
Things are getting worse and they're dropping little by little, but that's why I set a limit if a 980Ti drops to 500€, maybe I'll buy one, but of course if they drop when the next generation is already out, it will be a matter of seeing and comparing price performance, because maybe there's a 1070 that's cheaper, with a new architecture and maybe a little faster, that's why I say if I see a very good offer I can buy but I don't buy the high-end of the launch anymore, because besides with the GK104 and GM204 it wasn't the high-end, but if the price.
The only decent one and over time it got worse is the 970, for price and performance, the one that was seen at 309€ as soon as it came out, I should have bought one, which doesn't seem cheap to me but it is next to the 960, 980 and 980Ti, it's the best 900 even if it's 3.5Gb fast.
regards
@ELP3:The GTX 980, even being mid-range media.Es is an absolutely round product in every way.
Incredible performance, miserable consumption for what it gives, incredible overclocking.
The only thing that stands out is its price.
If that graphics card cost around 400, at most 450€, it would have no rival.
At 4K it defends itself wonderfully.
Anyone, I know it's difficult, but not impossible. Who has or has had a GTX 980 (more so if it's a good model like G1, stryx etc) and a Fury with or without X. Knows that the real performance difference is practically null between one and the other.
If it's resolutions of 1080p and 2K, which is really what this graphics card is designed for, the GTX 980 takes the cat to the water without palliatives. And at 4K it holds up perfectly against the Fury without X. And if we overclock it, which is logical given that potential, it does so without any problem against the X.De anyway with only 4GB of VRAM available neither is suitable for 4K.
It's tough for AMD, and I think for everyone, but in the end after so much waiting and so much history of HBMs, web smoke and so on.. certainly the only thing they have managed to bring out is a product closer to what NVIDIA already had on the market for many months, consuming clearly much more, with the same GB of VRAM, much or much more expensive and on top with the "handicap" of their drivers.
Personally, I have continued to prefer to bet on the GTX 980, before the fury… better a bad known than a good to know. I speak for the second team. The TITANS X and 980 TIs with modded bios are out of that equation.
Although I imagine that sooner or later (more likely later as unfortunately is usually habitual in AMD) the fury will be uncapped and will achieve a performance more in line with what is expected. Especially at standard resolutions of 1080p and 2K. Because really there is the bulk of buyers and at those resolutions they have a very clear problem. And a very big one at that.
Regards.
You saw the thing about ASICs, that now for air and water it's all the same under low load? well, if it's all the same for them and they let me have the high ones.
I mean, for LN2 if they are good high ones but for air and water it's all the same, I don't know who will believe that, I certainly won't, there's something as obvious as that cards with higher ASICs already have better frequency with boot and that's more performance without touching it.
But besides, the more efficient a chip is.
I want ASICs that are high in graphics and VID that is low in processors, let the others do whatever they want.
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wwwendigo In the Fermi era, I earned my 2500€/month, today I struggle to reach or exceed 1000€/month :wall: The salary fell and prices rose. :ffu:
This thing is terrible :wall::wall:
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Friends, could someone explain to me what those 2 features/resources of DX12.1 that NV talks so much about are about?
Conservative rasterization e Rasterizer-ordered views
Thanks. ;D
