AMD Ryzen 3000 Series

[rul3s]

I think there's no thread created about the topic, I've only found the one about Ryzen v1 and I think this deserves its own thread.
It seems that AMD is going to make a big splash with the v2 of Ryzen, the 3000 series.
As the information points out, it's a new and remodeled architecture with Zen base.

Ryzen 1000 Series -> v1
Ryzen 2000 Series -> v1+
Ryzen 3000 Series -> v2

The leaks point out that it improves both in frequency, reaching 5GHz, and in IPC, increasing by 15-20%. All this thanks to TSMC's 7nm technology.

The first table of CPUs and prices:

If this is the case, we're talking about a CPU with 12/24 cores/threads that reaches 5GHz for $329, a real barbarity.
But this is not over... they promise news in the GPUs, NVIDIA will also have to get its ears wet.

If this is the case, NVIDIA will continue to sell 2080 and 2080ti, because they would still have no rival, but the mid-ranges will be eaten with potatoes, in addition to the "cuteness of the nomenclature".
An AMD 3080 would cost $250 and would have a performance similar to an RTX2070 (500$).

Anyway, these are very good leaks, we will have to be attentive to the AMD Keynote today at CES 2019.

[Istarion]

Bueno pues al final el CES de amd ha sido, un poco raro Poca información, bastante hype, y alguna sorpresa...

Un enlace paso a paso del CES que han hecho desde Anandtech, esta twiteado pero esta todo:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13828/the-amd-keynote-at-ces-2019-live-blog-looking-ahead-starts-9am-pt-5pm-utc

Radeon VII

Para mi la sorpresa ha sido que AMD saca una nueva gráfica el 7 de febrero: la Radeon VII. Características:

• 60 Compute Units
• 3840 Stream Processors @ 1.8GHZ (Vega tiene 4096 @ 1.2-1.5Ghz)
• 16GB HBM2
• 1TB/seg
• 699$

Viene a ser como una Radeon Instinct MI50. También han mostrado benchmarks vs una Vega 64, mejorando el rendimiento en juegos entre 25% a 42%, y mejorando la productividad de 27% a 62%:

Parecen números potentes, pero como siempre estarán mostrando casos favorables. Según AMD tendrá el rendimiento de una 2080, pero habrá que verlo, la gente especula que no llegara a sus fps... Lo bueno es que en menos de 1 mes habrá reviews así que ya tendremos tiempo de juzgarla.
Hay que tener en cuenta que esta tarjeta no tiene hardware específico para raytracing, así que si ofrece una alternativa sin raytracing con un precio similar, lo va a tener difícil para convencer a la gente.

Threadripper 3ª Gen (7nm)

AMD sacará su tercera generación (¡en tres años!) de procesadores HEDT, fabricada en 7nm y con el mismo número de cores que la anterior (32c/64t). Después del golpe que dio con el Threadripper 2 con 32c vs Intel Xeons de 28 (10.000$ vs 2.700$), si ahora reduce considerablemente el consumo, puede dejar a Intel en serios problemas en el sector de HEDT (incluso en el mercado de servidores, aunque ahí deberia entrar Rome).
Esperemos que Windows solucione su serio problema con el scheduler de tareas, que hace que el rendimiento de los dies sin acceso directo a la RAM sea, en resumen, una caca (32c rindiendo similar que el TR 2 con 16c, no así en linux).
Más info (y super detallada): https://level1techs.com/article/unlocking-2990wx-less-numa-aware-apps

Ryzen Mobile 2ª Gen (14nm+ / 12nm)

Nuevos procesadores para portátiles utilizando los avances en el proceso de fabricación (igual que de Ryzen 1 a Ryzen 2). En este caso no han dado muchos detalles, pero parece que AMD optará por hacer "2 ramas" de procesadores, intentando que los fabricantes hagan dos gamas de : los de bajo consumo y los de alto rendimiento.
Bueno ya vimos unos pequeños previews de rendimiento, que aunque pueden ser falsas, parecían bastante realistas, incrementando el rendimiento un 15%.

EPYC 2ª Gen (7nm)
Tras unos tests propios, AMD enfrenta su nuevo procesador EPYC contra 2 Intel Xeon 8180s de 28c, obteniendo un rendimiento un poco superior (9.69 ns/dia > 8.45 ns/dia, 13% mejor)

Ryzen 3ª Gen (7nm)
El momento más esperado no ha enseñado más cores, pero han mostrado un Ryzen con 8 cores enfrentado a un 9900K, igualando su rendimiento con un 25% (!) menor consumo (AMD / Intel):
1er benchmark: 2023 / 2042
2do benchmark: 2042 / 2040
Consumo: 133W / 180W

Por otra parte, han mostrado un procesador de dos dies, un ocho cores y otro famoso die de I/O fabricado en 14nm), y parece que el procesador alberga más espacio, así que solo podemos soñar con que metan 16cores!!

El procesador funcionará sobre placas madres AM4, soportará PCIe 4.0 y se lanzará a mediados de 2019

En definitiva, me apetecía más chicha, quería ver procesadores de 16c para escritorio en abril, y me imaginaba una Navi de gama baja-media a bajos precios, y al final ha sido al contrario. Me da pena porque ahora saldrán mucho más tarde de lo que hubiese querido.

¿Que opináis? ¿Las Radeon serán buenas o se quedarán al nivel de las 2070? ¿EPYC se comerá el mercado de servidores? ¿Ryzen saldrá con 16c o no superarán los 8c?

[_Neptunno_]

Ryzen 3000:

If they deliver on their promises, with those prices and consumption, the 3000 series is going to be very good. Giving access to the low range to so many execution threads/cores is going to be a pretty significant advancement (and seeing only a consumption of 50/65W uff).

We need AMD to keep up so that Intel doesn't abuse prices and advance in performance.

Plus, being able to use the AM4 socket and move from a Ryzen 1000 or 2000 and upgrade to the 3000s is amazing.

Radeon RX3000:

Well, as you've already commented, the high range seems like Nvidia will remain at the top... but in mid to high ranges they're going to put a lot of pressure.

Anyway, my wish is that we return to sanity where a high-end doesn't go over 500, and a super-high-end of 600-700€.
And this is generally directed at Nvidia, who is maintaining heart attack prices as they are.

Lately with these prices, I advocate more for "second hand", at least I will continue "recycling" GPUs jejeje.

Regards!!

[rul3s]

By the way, here you have the cinebench that was done with the vs 9900k

Intel i9 9900k 2040cb
AMD Ryzen 3000 2057cb

With the same number of Cores/Threads 8/16 it has a very slight advantage + lower consumption. Nothing is known about IPC or frequencies

[Istarion]

Well, if @_Neptunno_, I hope the prices go back to where they were. All the markets are still somewhat inflated (RAM, GPUs, CPUs, SSDs...) and not willing to deflate...

On the other hand, the processor shown offers plenty of room to put a GPU or another die with 8 cores (in fact, Lisa Su hinted at it during the presentation). I'm still sad that this year they won't come out in April, that was the date I was planning to update my PC

[_Neptunno_]

@Istarion I am not informed of when you plan to release the micros or the GPUs. Can you hold on for a few more months with your platform, can't you?

I, depending on how much money I have, because last year I changed my car and this has left me broke, will think about whether to upgrade the 2600X (of course selling it on the second-hand market) or not.
Of course, it would be more for tinkering and because I initially bought this equipment with the intention of moving on to a Ryzen 3000 later.
But of course I bought the parts and assembled them in June/July, and I had to buy the car in August.

Regarding graphics cards, I have the damn habit of having Nvidia (and it annoys me because they get too smart a lot of times). I have had ATI/AMD but they never quite convinced me... although you never know in the future.
However, since I got the last three on the second-hand market... I don't get "upset" so much about the prices.

Regards!!

[garfield]

One that was waiting for this 3000 series already, and now it seems that until the second half of the year.Al the Navi will be released to be taught during this year, and the VII I can't figure out the price and power.
The only news is that it seems that all the boards with AM4 will be able to support PCI 4.0 with a BIOS update, but only the PCIe that are less than 15cm from the processor (not physically, but in terms of track length), which leaves the main pcie in PCI 4.0 and the rest in 3.0. I think it's an excellent measure. Let's see if Intel learns and changes the chipset policy.
And they have not confirmed the series of the micros either. We will wait for the coming days

[Istarion]

@_Neptunno_ more or less... but I'm getting anxious
And my pc is doing weird things... It will be 5 years old this summer but it's not running very smoothly. It does some weird things, games also give me fps drops. I also have a samsung EVO 970 working at half speed (my motherboard is borderline with m.2 support), and with the 2080Ti I got (I went way overboard), I think it's going to be tight...

My plan was to wait until April and buy a motherboard, cpu and memory, and now I'm bringing forward the graphics card and the case. But of course if I have to wait until July, and it's not 16c, I'm really not looking forward to it...

I'm just as stuck as @garfield

Well at least we'll see some movement in the gpu market with the recycled radeon instinct, 16gb vram, pretty fast, they can give a fight

[garfield]

@Istarion, we'll see what happens with the VII. They say they will be released on February 7th. We'll see if they are as powerful as the 2080s, or if they stay like some Vega-enhanced ones, without reaching a 2060. From what I read, it's a Fury with FP64 disabled, manufactured at 7nm and with 16GB of ram. I suppose they have also made some internal changes, because no matter how much ram you put on it, if it were still a Vega, there's nothing to be done.
I think this is like when they released the 2000s: they are not bad, but the good ones are with the 3000. I say this, as I have a 2700x, and you can see the performance compared to the 1000 series. On the same board, a 1700X yields 8% less at the same processor speed.
I think the RX570 I bought for 115€ is a good buy for 10 while the Navi come out

[_Neptunno_]

@istarion said in AMD Ryzen 3000 Series:

@_Neptunno_ more or less... but I'm getting anxious
And that my pc is doing strange things... It will be 5 years old this summer but it's not running very smoothly. It does some strange things, games also give me fps drops. I also have a Samsung EVO 970 working at half speed (my motherboard is borderline with m.2 support), and with the 2080Ti I got (I went overboard), it seems to be just barely working...

My plan was to wait until April and buy a motherboard, cpu and memory, and now I'm bringing forward the graphics card and the case. But of course if I have to wait until July, and it's not a 16c, I'm really not looking forward to it...

I'm just as stuck as @garfield

Well at least we'll see some movement in the gpu market with the recycled Radeon Instinct, 16gb vram, pretty fast, they can give a fight

Buff, what a joy that 2800TI lol enjoy it
Well what I would do is get a Ryzen 2600, overclock to the max (or not, mind you) and then sell it and put a big Ryzen 3000 in!!

I say this in case you can't stand your current platform for the months left until the 3000s come out. I tell you that my 2600X is working great, not much more powerful for gaming than my old 4970K but it's amazing to have 6/12... although I dream of having more cores (even if I don't need them lol).

Take care!"

[Istarion]

Well, in the end I do the same thing @_Neptunno_, a Ryzen 2600

A supposed Ryzen 3000 "engineering sample" has appeared on userbenchmark.
The score is not very good, although it seems to be made with only 1 module of memory and 3.4 - 3.6Ghz:
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14076820

Comparison with a TR2920X (stock TR2920X 3.5Ghz - 4.3Ghz vs Zen 2 3.7Ghz single channel):
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-TR-2920X-vs-AMD-Eng-Sample--2D3212BGMCWH2-3734-N/m625966vsm697865

Speculations are also opening. In this link, a user estimates the possible performance of the same chip at 5.0ghz and 4.7ghz.
Basically it would lead the table of benchmark scores, I hope so!

[garfield]

Until they come out for sale, I don't believe anything. Not because I'm prointel, but because the tests I see now have always favored AMD a little, and then in games (which is what people really want them for) they were left behind. They don't show if they have improved the huge latencies of the memories, and on top of that with a 7790 and memories at 2666. They already told us that Navi would come out now, and that it would be the best, and before that Vega.
Mind you, I say this with a 2700X, with which I am very happy, but don't sell me smoke.

[Obione]

I thought you would be talking about this...

Ryzen 9 3900X - 12C/24T\t- 3.8/4.6\t- 6/64 MB - 105W - 499$
Ryzen 7\t3800X - 8C/16T - 3.9/4.5 - 4/32 MB\t- 105W - 399$
Ryzen 7\t3700X - 8C/16T -\t3.6/4.4 - 4/32 MB\t - 65W - 329$
Ryzen 5\t3600X - 6C/12T - \t3.8/4.4 - 3/32 MB\t - 95W - 249$
Ryzen 5\t3600 - 6C/12T - 3.6/4.2 - 3/32 MB -\t65W - 199$

[whoololon]

The 3600 is going to be a hit, for sure. While waiting to know the real compatibility of these with current chipsets, especially the B450 which is the most widespread, and the performance, I think we all agree that this processor is going to sell like hotcakes. The next one, without a doubt, will be the 3700X, and the favorite of the "pollagorders" will be the 3900X, despite the fact that it may have some problems with temperatures that the rest won't have (because of how the soldering would go with the IHS), which can cause it to not be able to go up as high in revs as the rest. Finally, like everyone, I would like to see the real performance difference between one and the other; because because of the L2, along with those TDPs, I don't quite see it clear.

[Obione]

Announced on x16. I'm curious about the latencies in the 1 and 2 chiplets, to see how they behave with games and audio on these 12/16 cores, I don't know if they will lose a bit of response compared to the 6/8 cores

[amd125]

I'm really happy with my I7 2600K but I'm not saying I couldn't switch to an AMD 8-16 in the future. Not for now, but micros like the AMD 2600 6-12 are already priced below €135 and that's a very good price for a micro with that potential.

[rul3s]

@amd125 said in AMD Ryzen 3000 Series:

To be honest, I'm happy with my I7 2600K but I'm not saying I couldn't switch to an AMD 8-16 in the future. For now, no, but the fact that micros like the AMD 2600 6-12 are already at prices below €135 makes it a very good deal for a micro with that potential.

Exactly, the 2600 is a must-buy by default because of the price/performance it offers, it can barely cause a bottleneck in "some" games and it has an excellent price, plus if you buy the platform later you can put a 3000 or even a 4000.

By some games I mean only csgo at more than 144hz, otherwise, nothing at all.

[whoololon]

What I don't see so clearly are the new motherboards. I don't know about you, but getting into a chipset that they will pass the baton to in 2020... I just don't see it.

I think it's better to get a X400 motherboard with a decent VRM that will last us until we get bored of it, and skip the X500s.

[Obione]

I certainly don't get any benefit from that little bit of boost or PCIe 4.0. With a 480GB MP510 I can get miles for less than 100 bucks. Then at the price of the graphics cards, for PCIe 4.0 to start to be noticeable that's going to be a rip-off. I honestly will change if I don't run Cyberpunk well in a year, to a 3600 for example with an MSI B450, for 140€ because it comes with a good sound card with the Pro Carbon, because a Mortar of a hundred or so already moves it. And memory is more of the same, you can find BBB 3000 from 75€. We're talking about a 12-core for over 200€ and even less in a combo of motherboard + RAM to run it. P.D.: What a crappy fans on the chipset xD