AMD Ryzen 3000 Series

[_Neptunno_]

Ryzen 3000:

If they deliver on their promises, with those prices and consumption, the 3000 series is going to be very good. Giving access to the low range to so many execution threads/cores is going to be a pretty significant advancement (and seeing only a consumption of 50/65W uff).

We need AMD to keep up so that Intel doesn't abuse prices and advance in performance.

Plus, being able to use the AM4 socket and move from a Ryzen 1000 or 2000 and upgrade to the 3000s is amazing.

Radeon RX3000:

Well, as you've already commented, the high range seems like Nvidia will remain at the top... but in mid to high ranges they're going to put a lot of pressure.

Anyway, my wish is that we return to sanity where a high-end doesn't go over 500, and a super-high-end of 600-700€.
And this is generally directed at Nvidia, who is maintaining heart attack prices as they are.

Lately with these prices, I advocate more for "second hand", at least I will continue "recycling" GPUs jejeje.

Regards!!

[rul3s]

By the way, here you have the cinebench that was done with the vs 9900k

Intel i9 9900k 2040cb
AMD Ryzen 3000 2057cb

With the same number of Cores/Threads 8/16 it has a very slight advantage + lower consumption. Nothing is known about IPC or frequencies

[Istarion]

Well, if @_Neptunno_, I hope the prices go back to where they were. All the markets are still somewhat inflated (RAM, GPUs, CPUs, SSDs...) and not willing to deflate...

On the other hand, the processor shown offers plenty of room to put a GPU or another die with 8 cores (in fact, Lisa Su hinted at it during the presentation). I'm still sad that this year they won't come out in April, that was the date I was planning to update my PC

[_Neptunno_]

@Istarion I am not informed of when you plan to release the micros or the GPUs. Can you hold on for a few more months with your platform, can't you?

I, depending on how much money I have, because last year I changed my car and this has left me broke, will think about whether to upgrade the 2600X (of course selling it on the second-hand market) or not.
Of course, it would be more for tinkering and because I initially bought this equipment with the intention of moving on to a Ryzen 3000 later.
But of course I bought the parts and assembled them in June/July, and I had to buy the car in August.

Regarding graphics cards, I have the damn habit of having Nvidia (and it annoys me because they get too smart a lot of times). I have had ATI/AMD but they never quite convinced me... although you never know in the future.
However, since I got the last three on the second-hand market... I don't get "upset" so much about the prices.

Regards!!

[garfield]

One that was waiting for this 3000 series already, and now it seems that until the second half of the year.Al the Navi will be released to be taught during this year, and the VII I can't figure out the price and power.
The only news is that it seems that all the boards with AM4 will be able to support PCI 4.0 with a BIOS update, but only the PCIe that are less than 15cm from the processor (not physically, but in terms of track length), which leaves the main pcie in PCI 4.0 and the rest in 3.0. I think it's an excellent measure. Let's see if Intel learns and changes the chipset policy.
And they have not confirmed the series of the micros either. We will wait for the coming days

[Istarion]

@_Neptunno_ more or less... but I'm getting anxious
And my pc is doing weird things... It will be 5 years old this summer but it's not running very smoothly. It does some weird things, games also give me fps drops. I also have a samsung EVO 970 working at half speed (my motherboard is borderline with m.2 support), and with the 2080Ti I got (I went way overboard), I think it's going to be tight...

My plan was to wait until April and buy a motherboard, cpu and memory, and now I'm bringing forward the graphics card and the case. But of course if I have to wait until July, and it's not 16c, I'm really not looking forward to it...

I'm just as stuck as @garfield

Well at least we'll see some movement in the gpu market with the recycled radeon instinct, 16gb vram, pretty fast, they can give a fight

[garfield]

@Istarion, we'll see what happens with the VII. They say they will be released on February 7th. We'll see if they are as powerful as the 2080s, or if they stay like some Vega-enhanced ones, without reaching a 2060. From what I read, it's a Fury with FP64 disabled, manufactured at 7nm and with 16GB of ram. I suppose they have also made some internal changes, because no matter how much ram you put on it, if it were still a Vega, there's nothing to be done.
I think this is like when they released the 2000s: they are not bad, but the good ones are with the 3000. I say this, as I have a 2700x, and you can see the performance compared to the 1000 series. On the same board, a 1700X yields 8% less at the same processor speed.
I think the RX570 I bought for 115€ is a good buy for 10 while the Navi come out

[_Neptunno_]

@istarion said in AMD Ryzen 3000 Series:

@_Neptunno_ more or less... but I'm getting anxious
And that my pc is doing strange things... It will be 5 years old this summer but it's not running very smoothly. It does some strange things, games also give me fps drops. I also have a Samsung EVO 970 working at half speed (my motherboard is borderline with m.2 support), and with the 2080Ti I got (I went overboard), it seems to be just barely working...

My plan was to wait until April and buy a motherboard, cpu and memory, and now I'm bringing forward the graphics card and the case. But of course if I have to wait until July, and it's not a 16c, I'm really not looking forward to it...

I'm just as stuck as @garfield

Well at least we'll see some movement in the gpu market with the recycled Radeon Instinct, 16gb vram, pretty fast, they can give a fight

Buff, what a joy that 2800TI lol enjoy it
Well what I would do is get a Ryzen 2600, overclock to the max (or not, mind you) and then sell it and put a big Ryzen 3000 in!!

I say this in case you can't stand your current platform for the months left until the 3000s come out. I tell you that my 2600X is working great, not much more powerful for gaming than my old 4970K but it's amazing to have 6/12... although I dream of having more cores (even if I don't need them lol).

Take care!"

[Istarion]

Well, in the end I do the same thing @_Neptunno_, a Ryzen 2600

A supposed Ryzen 3000 "engineering sample" has appeared on userbenchmark.
The score is not very good, although it seems to be made with only 1 module of memory and 3.4 - 3.6Ghz:
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14076820

Comparison with a TR2920X (stock TR2920X 3.5Ghz - 4.3Ghz vs Zen 2 3.7Ghz single channel):
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-TR-2920X-vs-AMD-Eng-Sample--2D3212BGMCWH2-3734-N/m625966vsm697865

Speculations are also opening. In this link, a user estimates the possible performance of the same chip at 5.0ghz and 4.7ghz.
Basically it would lead the table of benchmark scores, I hope so!

[garfield]

Until they come out for sale, I don't believe anything. Not because I'm prointel, but because the tests I see now have always favored AMD a little, and then in games (which is what people really want them for) they were left behind. They don't show if they have improved the huge latencies of the memories, and on top of that with a 7790 and memories at 2666. They already told us that Navi would come out now, and that it would be the best, and before that Vega.
Mind you, I say this with a 2700X, with which I am very happy, but don't sell me smoke.

[Obione]

I thought you would be talking about this...

Ryzen 9 3900X - 12C/24T\t- 3.8/4.6\t- 6/64 MB - 105W - 499$
Ryzen 7\t3800X - 8C/16T - 3.9/4.5 - 4/32 MB\t- 105W - 399$
Ryzen 7\t3700X - 8C/16T -\t3.6/4.4 - 4/32 MB\t - 65W - 329$
Ryzen 5\t3600X - 6C/12T - \t3.8/4.4 - 3/32 MB\t - 95W - 249$
Ryzen 5\t3600 - 6C/12T - 3.6/4.2 - 3/32 MB -\t65W - 199$

[whoololon]

The 3600 is going to be a hit, for sure. While waiting to know the real compatibility of these with current chipsets, especially the B450 which is the most widespread, and the performance, I think we all agree that this processor is going to sell like hotcakes. The next one, without a doubt, will be the 3700X, and the favorite of the "pollagorders" will be the 3900X, despite the fact that it may have some problems with temperatures that the rest won't have (because of how the soldering would go with the IHS), which can cause it to not be able to go up as high in revs as the rest. Finally, like everyone, I would like to see the real performance difference between one and the other; because because of the L2, along with those TDPs, I don't quite see it clear.

[Obione]

Announced on x16. I'm curious about the latencies in the 1 and 2 chiplets, to see how they behave with games and audio on these 12/16 cores, I don't know if they will lose a bit of response compared to the 6/8 cores

[amd125]

I'm really happy with my I7 2600K but I'm not saying I couldn't switch to an AMD 8-16 in the future. Not for now, but micros like the AMD 2600 6-12 are already priced below €135 and that's a very good price for a micro with that potential.

[rul3s]

@amd125 said in AMD Ryzen 3000 Series:

To be honest, I'm happy with my I7 2600K but I'm not saying I couldn't switch to an AMD 8-16 in the future. For now, no, but the fact that micros like the AMD 2600 6-12 are already at prices below €135 makes it a very good deal for a micro with that potential.

Exactly, the 2600 is a must-buy by default because of the price/performance it offers, it can barely cause a bottleneck in "some" games and it has an excellent price, plus if you buy the platform later you can put a 3000 or even a 4000.

By some games I mean only csgo at more than 144hz, otherwise, nothing at all.

[whoololon]

What I don't see so clearly are the new motherboards. I don't know about you, but getting into a chipset that they will pass the baton to in 2020... I just don't see it.

I think it's better to get a X400 motherboard with a decent VRM that will last us until we get bored of it, and skip the X500s.

[Obione]

I certainly don't get any benefit from that little bit of boost or PCIe 4.0. With a 480GB MP510 I can get miles for less than 100 bucks. Then at the price of the graphics cards, for PCIe 4.0 to start to be noticeable that's going to be a rip-off. I honestly will change if I don't run Cyberpunk well in a year, to a 3600 for example with an MSI B450, for 140€ because it comes with a good sound card with the Pro Carbon, because a Mortar of a hundred or so already moves it. And memory is more of the same, you can find BBB 3000 from 75€. We're talking about a 12-core for over 200€ and even less in a combo of motherboard + RAM to run it. P.D.: What a crappy fans on the chipset xD