AMD Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4)

[_Neptunno_]

The launch of the Ryzen 7000 will be on September 15 and the first public demonstration will be on August 29, assuming there are no last-minute changes. Personally, I am very eager for them to come out, not only for the performance improvement (which certainly looks pretty good), but to see the “new” AM5 socket that AMD is launching, as it will be in LGA format, like Intel since the mythical 775. The negative part that I see in this new generation of CPUs, at least for now, is the high energy consumption... although Intel seems to be pointing in the same direction.
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Socket AM5
•\tSuccessor to the AM4 socket
•\tIntended for the Ryzen 7000 Series (Zen 4) / Codename «Raphael» and future generations
•\tLGA (Land Grid Array) type socket and ZIF (Zero Insertion Force)
•\t1718 contact pads
•\tFlip-chip packaging
•\tPrepared for the Infinity Fabric protocol
•\tPlatform chipset:
o\tSupport for DDR5 memory
o\tSupport for PCI Express 5th Gen
o\tNew generation USB
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Advantages:
•\tIt does not have fragile pins that can be easily damaged, but uses robust pads.
•\tThe pads allow more contacts to be added per unit of surface area, so more pins can be used without the packaging having to grow.
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Disadvantages:
•\tSockets may be more fragile, as they can be damaged if not aligned correctly.
•\tLower repairability.
•\tMore difficult to install.
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Although not confirmed, it seems that the prices of the Ryzen 7000 will not be very different from the prices of the Ryzen 5000. In principle, the models that will be launched will be the Ryzen 9 7950X, Ryzen 9 7900X, Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 5 7600X, the Ryzen 7 7800X will be released later. However, remember that all this information is not confirmed and there may be some changes, in any case, it is not long until we have the answers.
A table of what could be the prices and characteristics of these CPUs:

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Design of the box of the AMD Ryzen 9 processors:

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Details of the new Socket AM5 and the Zen4 CPU packaging:

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Source: Noticias3D.
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Regards.

[Clipper]

@_neptunno_ it is clear that they will yield more than the current AMD4, it would be more .
New socket, new DDR 5 new PCI eX5
New mn2.
And new F.A ( with new connectors )
That is, an outlay of 90%
Regards

[_Neptunno_]

@clipper 4 years ago, when the Ryzen 2000 series came out, I decided to make the switch. I wanted to have DDR4 and try out AMD's new CPUs that were also released when they launched the 1000 series. I was coming from an i7 4790K, which I had been using for 4 years and which would have been perfectly valid to keep until today without a doubt (although I got a lot out of it, except that I didn't do any overclocking... but anyway). I was just excited to return to AMD after so many years, since socket 939!!

At the time, I sold that 4790K, so it helped offset the purchase a bit. In this case, the 2600X also has a new owner, but I've been using my i9 from a 9th Gen laptop adapted to a desktop for a while now xD. It was a challenge for me to set, but now I'd like to return to AMD, especially with the 7000 series around the corner. That said, I have in mind at least the 7700X, but I'll try to see if I can get something "bigger", mostly out of curiosity and enthusiasm lol. That said, before I do that, I have to do more "dog stuff" to the i9, this one isn't going anywhere without a fight, although I won't sell it, I'll use it in another secondary PC.

Anyway, we'll see when it comes out what prices are like, performance, problems, etc.

Regards!!

[defaultuser]

I read somewhere about 4 memory channels??

Well, you'll have to buy 4 modules to get the most out of it, even if it's for gaming or you want the lowest latency.

Now that is something, you're going to make me a little envious.

[jordiqui]

Oh my god I'm seeing that ryzen 9 7900x 12c/24T 200 euros less than the same (I edit, because it's not the same) but with 16c/32T and I'm drooling.......

[_Neptunno_]

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We already have official information from AMD about the Ryzen 7000, including specifications, price, and release date. There aren't many surprises compared to the data we had from previous leaks, although as good "IT sailors" we were eager for that data to be confirmed and to expand the information further. On paper, they look very good, although we still need to see benchmarks and reviews to get a "real" idea.
The 7600X looks very good, although in terms of price it resembles the price of the 5600X and if I remember correctly, there were criticisms about that at the time. Personally, I share those criticisms, although I also understand that we were very well accustomed to the prices AMD put on the 1600X and 2600X, and even in the 3600X I think it went up a bit but was still within those more accessible prices. However, it is still 300€ for a "mid" range, although with a great performance, so I understand that many people may not be able to afford it. The good thing is that the 5000 will drop in price, so it won't be much of a problem... even when Intel presents Gen 13, maybe AMD will adjust prices and we users will come out winning.
In any case, the biggest problem will be the price of the boards and the price of DDR5 memory, and I don't know how much stock there will be for the 27th. I'm in no hurry, I'm going to save little by little, my goal is the 7700X, although I would like more to opt for a 7800X!!
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Sources:
El chapuzas informatico.
N3D.
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Regards!!

[_Neptunno_]

AMD confirms that the Ryzen 7000 come with an integrated Radeon graphics
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The presentation of the Ryzen 7000 left an important detail in the air, and is that AMD did not confirm at the event if these were going to finally have an integrated graphics, which was what numerous rumors pointed out, or if they were going to come without said component.

Finally AMD has clarified this issue in the list of official specifications of the Ryzen 7000 that it has published on its official website, where it can be seen that indeed these new processors are going to have an integrated Radeon GPU that will have two computing units, and that will be based on the RDNA2 architecture, which means that they add 128 shaders, 8 texture units and two ray tracing acceleration units.

The integrated GPU of the Ryzen 7000 is manufactured in the 6 nm node of TSMC and is located in the I/O chip, a very different configuration to that of the company's APUs where the GPU comes integrated in the same package as the processor. The working speed of this GPU will be 400 MHz at its base speed, and it will reach 2.2 GHz in turbo mode. We cannot expect high performance, that is evident, but the inclusion of an integrated GPU is a great success on the part of AMD, since it can be a useful resource.

The clearest example of that utility is when our dedicated graphics card is broken. Thanks to the integrated one we could continue using the PC without any problem, although the performance is limited. The portion that this integrated GPU will occupy in the I/O block will be very small since it only has 128 shaders, and its cost should also be minimal.

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Source: N3D.

[defaultuser]

@defaultuser said in AMD Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4):

I read somewhere about 4 memory channels??

Well, you'll have to buy 4 modules to get the most out of it, even if it's just for gaming or if you want the lowest latency.

Now that is something that makes me a little envious.

Quad channel jjjjj if the hardware gossip press has to write a lot with little information and say very strange things, like the new possibility of having different latencies on the mounted modules is going to be for channel A,B,C and D jjjj, from there to assume that they come with quad channel that's a bit of oil on the floor.

Not so much the DDR5 looks very interesting, let's see if they really bring the integrated temperature sensor as was said a while ago.
I already had a flat sensor with LCD on the ddr2 to study its behavior, and it turned out that controlling the temperature allowed us to get a good margin that, along with the CPU and chipset OC, resulted in a brutal overall system latency for the time.

I'm not going for zen 4, but if I were in the market for a change I would be very excited just for the tuning possibilities.

[_Neptunno_]

At the end so many expectations and we don't comment anything!!
Well, in principle somewhat disappointed by the price issue although it was something that was already expected since the last leaks. Moving to a Ryzen 7000 brings with it the use of DDR5 memory, the Mobo that are affordable start at 125€ and that the CPU “most modest”, 7600X, starts at a very high price.
As for performance, if we stick to the data that is being seen, they are quite good. Maybe I had the feeling (as always because they are heating us up a lot) that the performance against the 12Gen Intel would be greater. However, I may not have all the necessary information to affirm this data 100%.
Intel seems to be starting with more advantage since the Raptor Lake can be used with DDR4 (although of course they would not get the full potential of the DDR) and many people will opt for these processors that, apparently, are going to be better adjusted in price. The only thing is that a difference in performance per core is not expected compared to the 12Gen since practically this refresh is an improvement above all at the level of counting cores (ugh, I remember when AMD was the one doing this). I imagine that this will make AMD have to lower prices soon... or perhaps they will not sell everything they would like.
In any case, we will see how prices evolve, Bios and drivers are polished so that later on we can make the decision to move to one platform or another

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, halfway between the 7950X and the 7700X

In single-thread the 12900KS wins by the minimum but practically it can be said that it is a technical tie between that and the 7950X.

In multi-thread is where there is a huge difference between the 12900KS and the 7950X.

To not lengthen the post much, I leave you the rest of the tests from the source of the news: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2022/09/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-review/

Greetings!!

[kynes]

@_neptunno_ Del tema precio, os puedo comentar un poco porque me afecta directamente en mi trabajo. Importo mucho material de USA, y el tipo de cambio con el Euro me está machacando, en pocos meses ha pasado de 1.15$ por euro, a la paridad, lo que implica que todo sea aproximadamente un 13% más caro simplemente por la variación del valor de las monedas.

Es normal que los fabricantes de hardware, que trabajan en dólares, repercutan esta subida, lo hemos visto en los iphones... Lo vemos diariamente en los derivados del petróleo. Para AMD lo importante es cuántos dólares le quedan al final, los distribuidores les comprarán en dólares, y ellos ven el mismo dinero, aunque nosotros paguemos muchos más euros.

En la foto se puede ver cómo ha variado el tipo de cambio desde enero hasta final de septiembre, y se puede ver claramente cómo se va debilitando el euro, y eso sin contar el aumento de costes del transporte, materiales...

[Fassou]

This manufacturing in Europe was not happening

The 7600X looks good, but a new motherboard, DDR5 that better not pay for the novelty that are still expensive, graphics that are much better but also a joke. Playing on PC is for the rich!

Regards!

[defaultuser]

They will come down. First they take advantage of the hype they have been putting in, then when it is well compared to the competition and the data in general is corroborated, the hype and the price will come down a little (it will stop being such a novelty). Then if Intel sets good prices, it will also force another little drop from AMD. Then when more models come out, when we have all the ranges of boards available, more RAM options, more polished bios, and etc, I think it will start to have prices more in line with the real value. And finally, when the base models come out, they will also have to lower all the inferior ones a little (ryzen 3 and previous), for those who want to upgrade without getting into the latest. Everything is a matter of the right time to buy of course, the bad thing is to have the money in your pocket and the juicy material in front of your face It is equally interesting to wait until February or March. Salu2. PD: I personally have just started, and I am seeing that I have enough for a while. It may even be that one day I put a zen 3 in it before changing platforms, that if things do not change much I am quite well served.

[jordiqui]

@_neptunno_ What is it that today I have been talking to a man with years of modding experience behind him and a shop in Terrassa. What he told me is that those who put this together, just like the Intel 12, need very good cooling and a very good motherboard. I was testing an i7 of 12 with a basic motherboard and he told me that it is a mistake. By the way, doing numbers, with a 512 pci ssd, the ryzen 7 another pci ssd for data of 1Tb, 2x16 Gb ddr5, corsair what would be the obsidian, I don't know what name it has now ATX, corsair modular power supply, and a liquid cooling I didn't go below 2000~euros. But I think I have seen that the ryzen 9 exceeds 5 ghz that must consume a lot. Anyway, I don't understand why they haven't given support to DDR4. - And the blocks of the liquid for AM5, well I haven't seen them. I have sold the bike, to get one of these, but the thing with the motherboards is giving me a headache because the prices are ridiculous.

[jordiqui]

@fassou This I think is the one I've looked at. And 2000 euros without any excess, with integrated graphics and 32 gb of DDR5. Anyway....

[Clipper]

I don't think it's necessary to start from scratch to switch to the new AMD.
After all, we only need the basics:
Micro
Motherboard
DDR5 RAM
The SSDs are backward compatible (we won't have the same performance but... It's also not essential in the second mn2)
About the R.L they say they use the same anchorage as the series 4.
And the one that has more or the one that has less we have a worthy F.A to support the new platform.
If we get into a new GPU Corsair has announced a new cable compatible with their "old" F.A (high range) so that wouldn't be a problem either.
Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper said in AMD Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4):

I don't think it's necessary to start from scratch to switch to the new AMD.
In the end, we only need the basics:
Micro
Motherboard
DDR5 RAM
The SSDs are backward compatible (we won't have the same performance but... It's also not essential for the second mn2)
About the R.L, they say they use the same socket as the series 4.
And more or less, we all have a decent PSU to support the new platform.
If we get into a new GPU, Corsair has announced a new cable compatible with their "old" PSUs (high-end), so that wouldn't be a problem either.
Regards

I totally agree with you.
If it's going to be expensive anyway, we'll have to make the most of it.

I think the PSU thing is great, let's see if the idea spreads, it's just a cable and a connector, like the PWM on the fans. If there are other new things about PSUs, it depends on each one.

The cooling, according to Mesi Der8auer, has to come with the base a little lower than on AM4, to touch and make the same pressure, well, the one that doesn't give that margin with the block/heatsink could add one or two washers on top of the screws to increase that pressure and distance.

If just changing the CPU, motherboard, and RAM is going to be a big expense, those with tight budgets will have to recycle everything.

@jordiqui You'll see how motherboards that meet the essential conditions that only the top-end ones have at first will start coming out, but in slightly more basic models, there will end up being a "mid-range" range that's more than enough for mid-range micros.
For now, it will be the galactic motherboards as always. I was surprised when I saw how well MSI was doing with AM4.

[Clipper]

@defaultuser said in AMD Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4):

@clipper said in AMD Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4):

I don't think it's necessary to start from scratch to switch to the new AMD.
After all, we only need the basics:
Micro
Motherboard
DDR5 RAM
SSDs are backward compatible (we won't have the same performance but... It's also not essential for the second mn2)
About the R.L, they say they use the same socket as the 4 series.
And more or less, we all have a decent PSU to support the new platform.
If we get into a new GPU, Corsair has announced a new cable compatible with their "old" PSUs (high-end), so that wouldn't be a problem either.
Regards

I totally agree with you.
If it's going to be expensive anyway, we'll have to make the most of it.

I think the PSU thing is great, let's see if the idea spreads, it's just a cable and a connector, like the PWM on the fans. If there are other new things in the PSUs, it depends on each one.
The cooling, according to Mesi Der8auer, needs to come with the base a little lower than on AM4, to touch and make the same pressure, well, the one that the block/heatsink doesn't give that margin might be able to add one or two washers on top of the screws to increase that pressure and distance.

If just changing the CPU, motherboard, and RAM is already a good expense, those with tight budgets will have to recycle everything.

@jordiqui You'll see how motherboards that meet the essential conditions that only the top-end ones have at first will start coming out, but in slightly more basic models, there will end up being a "mid-range" that is more than enough for mid-range micros.
For now, it will be the galactic motherboards as always. I was surprised when I saw how well MSI was doing on AM4.

According to the photos of the new motherboards for AMD, the heatsink support is the same (same brown)
I have PSUs with AMD and with their system, the height of the IHS is the same.
Just tighten the screws more and that's it.
Personally, I think they could have put it like Intel (four screws)
Which is what I did when I tuned my Triton 88, I changed it to direct support on the motherboard with four anchors.
And I have on my to-do list to do the same with the R.L
After all, in my job, we usually ask for metal parts cut with a laser and it will cost me two euros.

[defaultuser]

@clipper well, it seems that some are more limited in terms of how much you can tighten them and would have something less pressure even though they are touching.
But it distracted me, the truth is, what Der8auer was saying was also something about the anchors I don't remember, those that come with their own backplate can give trouble with the new AM5 mounting system, some will have to buy the adapter kit, and others will make the necessary piece

If I show you the anchor I made for the Armageddon for am4, without means without place in the worst conditions, we go like stark kidnapped but without shots jjj, you would burst laughing, but there is solving the problem.

PD: The AM5 socket now has 8 holes, and its backplate too since it has to allow the mounting of the heatsink, but it also has to fix the CPU mounting plate. This means that AM4 heatsinks that come with their own backplate can no longer use it directly, and if you leave the AMD one, the heatsink screws may not be the same thread or may not meet the same dimensions as in their original mounting.
The clip-on ones don't work directly since the plastic support for the clips has disappeared.

The only thing that coincides is the distance between holes, everything else has to be looked at carefully, and many of those who are not into modding will have to buy an adapter or a new heatsink.

Regards.

[Clipper]

@defaultuser Americans have means, they say they went to the moon..
We don't.
But neither means nor anything.
But we are tough guys

[defaultuser]

@clipper Jjjj