Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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I've been searching but some people have problems even with two, it seems that if a card is a different brand it may have a different phase marking and that's why it doesn't work, although I'm not sure because my English is limited.
if I find something I'll let you know
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It would be a good move for Nvidia to allow SLI between Titan and 780Ti if they end up being the same specs.
Although they would have to be the 6GB ones, I don't think there are technical problems that would prevent it from being done, just synchronizing the cards to the same clock frequency and memory, another thing is that they want to because they're not very fond of those things, but the 260 thing could happen, the 192SP one could work with the others both 55nm and 65nm.
It's also very possible that someone will make them work by changing the bios, with bioses that are the same for both.
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That would be the idea, flashing the 2 with the same bios, although I suppose that for the 6GB model its price would be quite higher than the 3GB one.
It will be a matter of waiting for someone to try it when they are on the market, it doesn't seem unreasonable that in the end they will be some Titans with that modified bios that some users have.
and in the end the 780 Ti (OC capability) will end up giving the same result as the Titan.
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ELp takes this program and clicks check to check that all have accepted the softmod command
UPDATED for AB Beta 15] Fully unlocked NCP4206 Voltage / LLC mod toolCheck if one by one the soft mod command is accepted
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That would be the idea to flash them at 2 with the same bios, although I suppose that for the 6GB model its price would be quite higher than the 3GB.
It will be a matter of waiting for someone to try it when they are on the market, it doesn't seem unreasonable that in the end they will be some Titans with that modified bios that some users have.
and in the end the 780 Ti (OC capacity) will end up giving the same result as the Titan.
Regards.-
From the start it must be clearly more expensive 6GB than 3, later perhaps it will go down, we see now that a 760 is about 50€ more for 4GB and the same with the 770 we should be about 75 to 100€ more, better to take as a reference the 770 of 2GB and the 4GB that seems to have memory as fast as the 780Ti.
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC 2GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-2GD Graphics Card
GigaByte GeForce GTX 770 OC 4GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-4GD Graphics CardFrom the start there may be more but if the price stabilizes it should be 100€ difference, that according to the manufacturer, although from the start it's easy to be more.
But the 780Ti will last the same as the Titan even that the 780, they should give the same result and more with the OC, that is, one will pull a little more than the other and so there should be little difference.
regards
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Well...I finally got it...it's the strangest thing I've ever seen.
ALL the ones I have accept the command ri3,20,99, but however, in the MSI settings I can't put the values corresponding to this. Instead, it has to be ri4,20,99...curious at least.
This that I put is nonsense simply for the pleasure of doing it. But it's not convenient, even less so with stock depletion, nor with 4 together...but well, I've fixed it. Just like the S.O in which I did it, it's the first one in which I had the 290X without the system cleaned, the one with Raid 0, because to mess with the voltage, if I soiled any registry I preferred it to be in this one.
Here it is:
As I say it's a result that can be improved at those frequencies, because I think the phases have suffered a lot and the performance has decreased in the last stretch. But I wasn't in benchmark mode, but in testing...and as an anecdote, it's not bad at all to have 4 TITAN at 1300MHZ…for the first time, I'm seriously considering putting RL on the 4, because these are going to be with me for a VERY long time.
Here it is all passed with a point less of voltage, and indeed, it went a little better…remember that it's a Haswell at 4,6GHZ...4 cores, the final score is very affected by the CPU.No part so the GPU part, which I'm sure is a little better than on X79 boards.
What do you advise me for this, Jotole, since you're good at water...;)
Best regards.
P.D.La temp of the afterburner is not the one of the test, it's the real one of that moment, I had it closed and I opened it afterwards.
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Hello!
Thanks Jotele for unlocking the bios and increasing the voltage.
For now I'm still using the stock bios and with the EvgaPrecision I've increased:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100I'm thinking of buying a second Titan for 900€ an Evga to put a block on it for R.L
What do you recommend me to wait for the new 780Ti to be compatible for Sli? Or do I wait or buy the second Titan already since the day of release they have hardly decreased
Regards
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Nvidia has never made anything compatible with anything other than the exact same graphics card.
And for many reasons I think it will stay the same.
1. Because we don't know if it will really be a GK110 TITAN, or also called a cut K-20X.
2. Because even if it were the TITAN chip, they would never be the same, since they wouldn't have the same VRAM (in Nvidia, if there isn't the same VRAM even if it's the same graphics card, there's no SLI) and second, because it would have the dp cut.
That is to say, I am almost 99% sure that TITAN will only be compatible with TITAN.
If they learned from AMD in this, they would gain quite a few followers by letting chips from the same ranges pair up. But Nvidia is Nvidia, for better or for worse.
Regards.
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Thanks for your great clarification, doubt solved.
I want to set up Sli and that now with just one I can do everything!! In surround resolution I must lower some filters in some games.
I want to set up Sli to forget about changing my pc in 2-3 years and play in High or Ultra.
The bad thing that I think about and don't know is if I will have in the future with Sli the damn throttling and micro stuttering that I suffered with Sli Gtx 480Many thanks for your great help Cracks!
Regards
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By the way, does anyone know how to see the temps of the VRM on the TITAN/GTX780? The new GPU-Z says it supports it, but it's not true, and HWB doesn't either..and it's very important if you're going to use this bios mod..
Regards.
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Buenas!
Gracias Jotele por lo del desbloqueo de bios y subida de voltage.
De momento sigo con la bios de serie y con el EvgaPrecision e subido:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100Estoy pensando de comprar la segunda Titan por 900€ una Evga para ponerle un bloque para R.L
Que me recomendais a que me espere a las nuevas 780Ti seran compatible para Sli? O me espero o compro ya la segunda Titan desde el dia de salida casi no han bajado
Saludos
Yo solo he recopilado la info que ha dejado majo, el ha sido el que nos ha puesto en aviso…....... ;).
Me extrañaría mucho que la 780ti, se pudiese poner en SLI con una Titan, tal vez como han comentado flasheandola con una bios de una titan se pueda hacer, pero "a pelo", sería la primera vez que Nvidia permitiera algo así.
Salu2...
Bueno..por fin lo conseguí..es la cosa mas extraña que he visto nunca.
TODAS las que tengo,aceptan el comando ri3,20,99,pero sin embargo,en setting del MSI no puedo poner los valores correspondientes a este.Sino que tiene que ser al ri4,20,99..curioso cuando menos.
Esto que pongo,es una barrabasada simplemente por el gustazo de hacerlo.Pero ni es conveniente,menos aún con dispación de stock,ni tampoco con 4 juntas..pero bueno,me las he arreglado.Al igual que el S.O en el que lo he hecho,es el primerizo en el que tuve las 290X sin el sistema limpio,el de los Raid 0,porque para trastear lo del voltaje,si ensuciaba algún registro prefería que fuera en este.
Aquí está:
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Como digo es un resultado mejorable a esas frecuencias,pues creo que las fases han sufrido mucho y ha bajado el rendimiento en el último tramo.Pero no estaba en modo bencheo,sino de pruebas..y como anécdota,no está nada mal tener 4 TITAN a 1300MHZ…por primera vez,me estoy planteando muy seriamente poner RL a las 4,porque estas ván a estar MUCHO tiempo conmigo.
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Aquí pasado entero con un punto menos de voltaje,y efectivamente,ha ido un pelín mejor…recordar que es un Haswell a 4,6GHZ...4 núcleos,la puntuación final se vé muy afectada por la parte CPU.No así la de GPU,que estoy seguro,que es un pelín mejor que sobre placas X79.
Qué me aconsejas para esto,Jotole,ya que ti el agua se te dá bien..;)
Un saludo.
P.D.La temp del afterburner no es la del test,es la real de ese momento,lo tenía cerrado y lo abrí a posteriori.
Lo que te ha pasado con el desbloqueo se avisa en el las instrucciones del cmd, lo que me extraña a mí es que unas sean diferentes de otras…
Por fabricante no es, yo tengo una Gigabyte y la Otra Evga, algo más debe entrar en la ecuación...
Pero me alegro de que hayas dado con la tecla...
Sobre pasarlas por agua, ahora mas que nunca es mas que recomendable. Subirlas tanto de voltaje por aire, lo veo bien para un bench, pero para mantenerla a raya jugando lo veo inviable....
Para pasarlas por agua yo las tengo con bloques Koolance, a mí me van muy bien no me puedo quejar, tanto estéticamente como a nivel de rendimiento, mira la captura que he puesto antes a 1400, y estuvo así unos minutos.
Habitualmente jugando rara vez las veo pasar de 35 grados. Con 4 GPU´s vas a tener mucha restricción yo metería dos bombas D5, en serie como las tengo yo, para meter mas presión y caudal al circuito.Radiador depende del sitio que tengas, si estan en la bench table, no tendrás problema de sitio, yo metería un cuadruple con ventis de 14, algo mo un HARDWARE LABS BLACK ICE SR1 560, pero quien te puede hablar bien de ellos es Praimus, tiene 2.
Depo a gusto.... ;).
Te mando en MP enlaces de ellos de una tienda, que ya me han dado los toques por poner enlaces, diciendome que era spam.
Un Saludo..
Por cierto,alguien sabe como se puede ver las temps de los VRM en las TITAN/GTX780? el GPU-Z nuevo dice dar soporte,pero no es verdad,y el HWB tampoco..y es muy importante si se vá a utilizar este mod bios..
Saludos.
Acabo de llegar a casa y no me he bajado al equipo de juegos, mañana busco a ver si se puede ver, porque la verdad es que es mas que interesante tener eso vigilado.
Lo de las temps de los VRM, me ha recordado una charla que tuvimos creo que en un hilo, sobre que bloques de rl, los disipaba y cuales nó y además disipaban los Inductores (R22) de los VRM
Creo que al final no quedo nada claro sobre si los aquacomputer, disipaban eso o no, o los EK. Majo tiene los EK, a ver si nos puede informar de primera mano y refrescarnos la memoria sobre ese tema.
Por mi parte le hice una "ñapa" a mis bloques, para poder disipar esa zona, para que no quede al aire libre, es decir, no viene contemplada en ellos, pero si que trae el hueco para los vrm, los Inductores (R22) de los VRM
Bien, en la zona que van esas zonas sensibles, puse almohadillas termicas como en las memorias, del grosor suficiente para que hicieran contacto sin llegar a pasarme. De esa manera las tengo disipadas con el bloque, y no por aire que es como se hubieran quedado.
A ver si mañana encuentro lo de las temps de los VRM,
Un Saludo…
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Regarding the SLi titan with gtx 780ti, it is not descartable at the moment and I cannot say more for now. I know that work is being done on drivers for its compatibility, whether or not they will release them in the end cannot be confirmed today, as if they scan the titanes, they will be considered dead. What is being worked on is that in SLi, the load does not dominate equally on both CPUs, nor does it force the faster one to match the speed of the slower one, so that what is demanded of each one is based on other parameters that are not speed, but rather temperature and, based on that, the load. In fact, the latest drivers already incorporate some of this, well, the last 2 versions of drivers, although this topic is not very polished yet, but it will surely be refined. Xenso, if you want to increase performance a bit, you can put the BIOS of the hydrocooper, which increases performance a bit and is acceptable for air. Moreover, it has a higher Texture Fill Rate than the rest, since the normal ones have 196.2 GT/s and the hydrocoper ones have 219.5 GT/s, due to the higher speed of the core. I had all 4 of mine with this BIOS and they worked very well. That is, I had them with water. Now I only have 2 because 2 are enough for what I use and I have them with this BIOS without problems
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Hello!
Thanks Jotele for unlocking the bios and increasing the voltage.
For now I'm still using the stock bios and with the EvgaPrecision I've increased:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100I'm thinking of buying a second Titan for 900€ an Evga one to put a block on it for R.L
What do you recommend, should I wait for the new 780Ti to be compatible for Sli? Or should I wait or buy the second Titan right away since the release day they have hardly decreased
Regards
If I were you, I would wait for the release of the 780Ti and maybe the Titan will drop in price a bit, if it doesn't, it will be more possible to find a second-hand one, some gadget seller might give you a Titan for a 780Ti although I don't see the point, because in performance they should be very similar at the same frequency and I don't think the 780Ti will do miracles with the OC.
But the 780Ti should make the prices of Titan and 780 adjust a bit, the Titan has dropped very little since the release day but with another card from the brand that performs better, they will have to adjust the prices a bit, not much but something.
regards
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Hello fellow users.
Majo's information is very interesting, I will look into it when I have some time. I saw that Elp3 increased the vcore to 1.3v, it's clear that it's just for testing, but how far would that be acceptable for our GK110??? Knowing myself, I could set it to the same voltage for 24/7 :facepalm: don't show me these things :wall:.
Thanks to all for the info.
Regards.
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Hello, friends.
Majo's information is very interesting, I'll look into it when I have some time. I saw that Elp3 increased the vcore to 1.3v, it's clear that it's just for testing, but how acceptable would that be for our GK110??? Knowing myself, I'm capable of setting it to the same voltage for 24/7 :facepalm: don't show me these things :wall:
Thanks to everyone for the info.
Best regards.
According to the dissipation, with RL it might be possible to increase it a bit more, the important thing is to cool the VRMs well, for air cooling it's not recommended to go over 1.25v, maybe it's possible to benchmark at 1.29v, but gaming is different.
The problem is not the core temperature, it's the VRMs that will heat up a lot more, for example the MSI custom 780s that have many phases can probably handle more and with RL if the VRMs maintain a better temperature it would be possible to put a little more, but it all depends on how hot the VRMs get.
These should be able to handle more voltage, they come prepared for extreme OC but the Titans are reference models and will handle less.
http://videocardz.com/45493/msi-geforce-gtx-780-lightning-launch-gallery
best regards
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De salida si debe ser claramente mas caro 6GB que 3, mas adelante quizá baje, vemos ahora que una 760 son unos 50€ mas por 4GB y lo mismo la 770 vamos debería ser unos 75 a 100€ mas, mejor tomar como referencia la 770 de 2GB y la de 4GB que parece tiene memoria igual de rápida que la 780Ti.
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC 2GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-2GD Tarjeta Gráfica
GigaByte GeForce GTX 770 OC 4GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-4GD Tarjeta GráficaDe salida quizá haya mas pero si se estabiliza de precio debería ser 100€ de diferencia, eso según fabricante, aunque de salida fácil que sean mas.
Pero la 780Ti durara lo mismo que la Titan incluso que la 780, deben dar el mismo resultado y mas con el OC, vamos una tiraría un pelin mas que la otra y asi poca diferencia debe haber.
saludos
Bueno era lo que también me imaginaba 100€ y ahí estariamos en 750€ y si la titan baja un poco es como que no compensa el riesgo.
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Nvidia nunca ha hecho nada compatible con nada que no sea exactamente la misma gráfica.
Y por muchos motivos pienso que seguirá igual.
1.Porque no sabemos si de verdad vá a ser un GK110 TITAN,o también llamado K-20X recortado.
2.Porque aunque fuera el chip TITAN,nunca serian iguales,puesto que no llevarían misma VRAM(en nvidia si no hay misma VRam aunque sea la misma gráfica,no hay SLI) y segundo,porque tendría recortado el dp.
Osea,que estoy casi seguro al 99% que TITAN solo será siendo compatible con TITAN.
Si aprendieran también de AMD en esto,se ganarían bastante adeptos dejando que chips de mismas gamas se emparejasen.Pero Nvidia es Nvdia,para lo bueno y lo malo..
Saludos.
Es verdad pero quien sabe lo hizo AMD con las R9 y 7970 estando mantle a la vuelta de la esquina, quizás esta vez Nvidia reaccione.
Saludos.-
Sobre el tema del SLi titan con gtx 780ti no es descartable de momento y no puedo decir mas por ahora. Sé que se está trabajando via drivers para su compatibilidad, que los saquen o no al final no se puede asegurar a dia de hoy, ya que si los scan las titanes se darán csai por muertas. Lo que si se esta trabajando es que en el SLi no predomine igual carga en ambas cpu ni forzar a la mas rápida que se ponga a la velocidad de la mas lenta, de manera que lo que se demande a cada una sea en función de otros parámetros que no sean la velocidad sino que predomine la temperatura y en función de ello la carga. De echo los últimos drivers ya incorporan algo de esto, bueno las 2 ultimas versiones de drivers aunque no esté muy pulido este tema todavía, pero se va a afinar seguro.Xenso si quieres subir un poco el rendimiento le puedes poner la BIOS de la hydrocooper que aumenta un poco el rendimiento y es asumible por aire.
Además tiene un Texture Fill Rate mayor que el resto, ya que las normales tienen 196.2 GT/s y las hydrocoper tienen 219.5 GT/s, supongo que algo se notara. Yo las 4 mias las tenia con esta BIOS e iban muy bien. eso si las tenia por agua. Ahora ya solo tengo 2 porque con 2 me sobra para lo que yo uso y las tengo con esta bios sin problemasA mi me parece que seria muy interesante quizás no para poder hacerlo ahora estando las maxwell tan cerca pero si en un futuro cuando la GTX 780 Ti llegan a estar por debajo de los 450€ aunque dependerá de la top de la siguiente generación serie 800 / 900.-
Saludos.-
Pero que lógicamente,yo no voy a tener las 4 a 1300MHZ para jugar..salvo 2 títulos,casi que se puede jugar a todo al máximo y 1600p con un SLI simple subido.Lo que pasa que a mi en el Tomb Raider y Splinter cell,me gusta meterle el máximo de SSAA,y eso a una resolución como la mia de 2560X1600p,es multiplicar por 4 la resolución..;)
Saludos
Con 1 voy sobrado en el 90% de los juegos como comentas con 2 se puede con prácticamente a todo, pero con 4 piden a gritos 2160p pero están caros y lo que vale la pena son los 2160p con pantalla oled y parece que hay que esperar por lo menos 1 año mas.-
Saludos.-
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Patagonico I think the Titan will go down with the release of the Ti, if it doesn't do it soon for sure in January, but seeing prices I wouldn't be surprised at all if they go down more than 100€, possibly more some Zotac.
The situation is complicated because the 690 doesn't go down even at gunpoint, but for sure the manufacturers will have to start making offers to get rid of them because otherwise they won't sell anything, I think the same of the 690 that they will have to cut them down by about 500€ to sell them and even then maybe they won't sell them, these ranges are so expensive when they have to cut it down they do it quite a bit.
regards
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According to the dissipation, with RL it may be possible to go up a bit more, the important thing is to cool the VRMs well, for air it is not recommended more than 1.25v, perhaps it could pass benchmark at 1.29v, but games are different.
The problem is not the core temperature, it's the VRMs that will heat up much more, for example the 780s those MSI custom ones that have many phases will possibly hold more and with RL if the VRMs maintain the temperature better it could be put a little more, but it all depends on how hot the VRMs get.
These should hold more voltage, they come prepared for extreme OC but the Titans are reference models and will hold less.
http://videocardz.com/45493/msi-geforce-gtx-780-lightning-launch-gallery
regards
My dissipation would not be the problem, but if the VRMs compared to the MSI Lighting a big deal.
As you rightly mention fjavi the Titans are reference models next to those MSI, I have them passed through water with the aquacomputer kryographics blocks. In summer playing in surround with the tri sli they do not exceed 38 Gº, with the modified Bios with the vcore 1.212.
The issue is that they do not exceed 1,750 Mhz since they have not come out very good compared to yours and I would like to exceed those 1,200 Mhz.
For now, when I have time I will mess around to see how much I can squeeze them....Best regards.
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Patagonico I think the Titan will drop with the release of the Ti, if it doesn't do it soon, for sure in January, but seeing prices I wouldn't be surprised if they drop more than 100€, possibly more some Zotac.
The situation is complicated because the 690 doesn't go down even at gunpoint, but surely the manufacturers will have to start making offers to get rid of them because otherwise they won't sell anything, I think the same about the 690 that they will have to cut them down by about 500€ to sell them and even then they might not sell them, these ranges are so expensive when they have to cut it down they do it quite a bit.
regards
Thanks a lot! I'm not in a hurry to buy it and I'll wait for the release of the Gtx 780 Ti.
For now the cheapest one is Zotac for 864€, 875€ Asus, 900€ Evga, 900€ Gigabyte in Spanish stores.We'll keep an eye on the market
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My dissipation would not be the problem, but the VRM compared to the MSI Lighting is a different story.
As you rightly mention fjavi, the Titans are reference models compared to those MSI, I have them watercooled with aquacomputer kryographics blocks. In summer, playing in surround with tri sli, they do not exceed 38 Gº, with the Bios modified with vcore 1.212.
The issue is that they do not exceed 1,750 Mhz as they have not turned out to be very good compared to yours and I would like to exceed those 1,200 Mhz.
For now, when I have time, I will mess around to see how much I can squeeze them...Best regards.
I suppose you mean 1150 MHz.. I think 1200 would be easy, although perhaps one is not good and is the one that limits you the most, but with RL it should be easy, surely the one that raises the least is the one that asks for more voltage, but giving it something should raise it.
Let's see what ELP3 says, he is the one who has the 4 Titans raised and has been giving them voltage and they have raised even more, anyway I think that to play with them at 1200 they should already perform very well and more if they are two or three, the bad thing about having more than one is that if one is bad it does not let the others go up, but perhaps that one feels good raising the voltage a bit.The best thing is to try and raise it little by little and more to look for stability in games.
Best regards
@xenxo_80:Thank you very much! I am not in a hurry to buy it and I will wait for the release of the Gtx 780 Ti.
For now the cheapest is Zotac for 864€, 875€ Asus, 900€ Evga, 900€ Gigabyte in Spanish stores.We will keep an eye on the market
The thing is that if they do not go down you might be interested in waiting for the 20nm, there are months left but it would be worth it with the Titan even if you lower options and wait for Maxwell or what AMD comes out with.
The new generation should be noticeable and the same a simple 860Ti could perform like the Titan, you put two and you can already perform much better, and much cheaper.
If this is true those should perform much better in multimonitor and 4K.
http://www.chw.net/2013/10/posibles-especificaciones-de-los-gpus-nvidia-maxwell/
there are rumors that say Q1 2014, although I think they will be in the middle of the year.Best regards
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My opinion is that it is a big risk to think that the new generation will move 4K resolutions. I think that at least 2 generations of cards must pass before we can say that they work properly with 4K resolutions and can enjoy them at 100% of their total capacity. Of course, manufacturers must make people think about 4K already and they are naming it, referring to it to raise awareness and convince people of its virtues, all except economic ones, and incite people to change their graphics cards to be able to enjoy 4K, but the truth is that what is available today and the next generation do not move 4K decently yet.
Ruruloko, Xenso with the hydrocooper BIOS, the VRM temperature hardly rises at all and the performance does go up compared to the normal ones, that's why I recommended you to put it and you don't have to keep playing with the EVGA precision. -
anyway. At the price that 4k monitors are, there is more than enough time for hardware to advance enough to move to those resolutions with ease.
They will still take at least 2 years to have 4k monitors at "street" prices. Because it's no use having hardware that can move 4k smoothly if then for a 27" monitor you have to pay 2000€.
That's not a street price... and 4k at 27" for 500€ will take those two years... even more I would say... so calm down :troll::troll:
