AMD Zen, news and comments

[cobito]

@whoololon Marketing. AMD has been hyping Zen for two years and all this rumor mongering is part of the game.

[whoololon]

Well, indeed, it doesn't seem to be anything more than a baseless rumor (as Javier Krahe sang).
According to subsequent leaks from Asian sources, and reported by WccfTech, the situation would be as follows:

What really amazes me, if you look closely, is the clamp on the frequency of the smaller ones, since it was announced that the base frequency was going to be 3.4 Ghz. Well, we'll see.

[cobito]

There are only two pieces of data left to make an objective assessment: the price and the single/multi-thread performance. Let's see if anyone can find a benchmark test of an engineering sample or whatever.

[Yorus]

I've already passed the hype with these micros and I've switched to an Intel NUC with Skylake, but I still find this Intel/AMD war very interesting. I hope that, as in other times, things are more even and AMD returns to hoist the flag of quality/price.

[whoololon]

If it's curiosity, let's see how everything turns out.
By the way, the prices of the R7 have been leaked, they are estimated to be from about 400 leros to around 600 tracatracas the most expensive.
Making predictions on my own, the R5, which are the ones that interest me the most, will come out for less than 400, which I think is awesome.

[rul3s]

@whoololon said in AMD Zen, news and comments:

If it's curiosity, let's see how everything turns out.
By the way, the prices of the R7 have been leaked, they are estimated to be from about 400 leros to around 600 tracatracas the most expensive.
Making some guesses on my own, the R5, which are the ones that interest me the most, will come out for less than 400, which I think is awesome.

Well, awesome awesome... if the R5 are like an i5 approx and come out for 300-400€ I still think they are expensive.
The joke would be if they came out at the price of an i5, 180-280€ but offered 2 more cores than these.

[Obione]

We'll see if it's true that the high-end models are out there and the Ryzen costs half. It may not be head-to-head like those Phenom VS Core2, it may be like the first FX where an x8 was rendering like an i7, maybe a nice little rig with 480 and quad without going to 1,000 euros... We'll find out soon

[whoololon]

@rul3s Well, there's the issue, that according to the table, the R5 1500 and 1600 have 6 cores and 12 threads; initially they compare (the 4/8 ones) with the Skylake i7, that's what they say and we'll have to wait for the tests.

One thing I've been clear about since long before all this came out: if AMD's micros (FX) were cheap, it was simply because they performed like crap. No one sells hard drives for three pennies, and the kilo of performance is fixed for all brands.

But there we had a whole generation of "nerds" of Taringa level who, ignoring or not knowing the era when one had to do numbers to get an Athlon, tacitly awarded AMD the title of "good and cheap brand" precisely at its worst moment.

But all this is rumor, until there are tests and prices, it's just to pass the time.

[cobito]

Changing the subject a bit, it seems that there won't be drivers for Windows 7. That will affect the integrated graphics. I mean, the micro itself will work (as it couldn't be otherwise) but the "advanced" functions won't.

Source.

[jordiqui]

Hello,
today I read that on February 28 we will know something concrete. In fact, there is a store in China that had it for sale, according to the source, without knowing which platform it was. They have obviously removed said processor from stock. Although, it was around 1400 yuan... In any case, I am eager to see the first official tests.

[Yorus]

@cobito said in AMD Zen, news and comments:

Changing the subject a bit, it seems that there won't be drivers for Windows 7. That will affect the integrated graphics. That is, the micro itself will work (as it couldn't be otherwise) but the "advanced" functions won't.

Source.

That already seems to me to be a bad move and lately I also see it in Intel. What is that about leaving without drivers a system with so much market share and that doesn't end support until 2019? At this rate PCs are going to be like mobiles.

[kynes]

Don't worry, there will definitely be no WHQL driver, but with a patch to the.inf, you should be able to install the normal radeon drivers, just like you always have with the geforce go (the ones in laptops) until nVidia unified their drivers. This will affect other people, but I hope those of us here know how to download a modified.inf.

[Obione]

Ye, from ignorance I'm going to say that it doesn't seem strange to me. It has cost me (and I'm not saying it has touched my balls because it wasn't a priority for me) so much to jump from OS when it wasn't necessary (XP, 7 and 10; 1 yes 1 no) that I've moved on from the topic but I see it as normal. Do you want DX12 for 4 games that perform the same in DX11? Get 10. You get FullHD to watch TV, you've gone crazy with 4K, little content. That performs less with 7... Well, I don't think it's entirely logical and we can talk about conspiracy but, it is what it is, Win has taken little jumps especially with new graphics. As you say it's a popular OS with security updates, which made me have to change the modest Vista (not to mention crap) because soon they'll leave it in the lurch for security, I'm emigrated with dad's cuttable laptop and I find myself very comfortable with my multimedia shit, which is 17" but closer, and like that I can't tell commas from dots xD in videos I'm just as comfortable. At home they were 23" but far away.

[whoololon]

It seems that the processor nomenclature is now official.

As well as the coolers that will come standard.

The little guy reminds me of a ThermalTake manual selector that I have on the K7... how the poor thing screams.

[whoololon]

Well, here I put the alleged results of the CPU-Z of the 1600X, according to the news from WccfTech. As always, take it with a grain of salt.

[cobito]

It seems that those results meet the high expectations. Let's see if they are real... and let's see the price.

[cobito]

For Linux users, it seems that you will have to look for the latest version of the kernel. It should be noted that in this regard, Intel tends to be much more forward-thinking than AMD has been.

Continue reading...

[cobito]

Some reviews:

· Phoronix
· Anandtech
· Gamers Nexus
· Arstechnica
· Hot Hardware
· Overlockers
· TechSpot
· Pc Perspective
· Ocaholic
· OverclockersClub
· The Tech Report
· Toms's Hardware

[cobito]

AMD has announced that the mid-range Zen (Ryzen 5) will be released in less than a month. The confirmed models and prices are the four-core for $169 and the six-core for $219.

Source.

[whoololon]

Let's put another 50 € (price in store) and we are left with the RX 1500X for 220 € and the 1600X for 300 €.
The thing is that with the price drop of the Intels (the 7600K is at 250 €)... well, I don't know.