Do you recommend any camera

[cobito]

Today my DLSR camera was stolen :mad:. It was an Olympus E-410 with a 14-42 mm lens.

Apart from the theft issue (which I might start another thread about when I've calmed down), I'm looking for a new camera. My budget is very limited (between 300-400 €) and it has to include at least one lens. Looking around, I've seen the same E-410 with two or three lenses for between 250 and 400€ second-hand.

The thing is that I have some accessories for the 4/3 format (from Olympus) that I'd like to take advantage of. On the other hand, I've never liked the 4/3 format because it doesn't make the slightest sense, neither for current monitors nor for photographic paper formats. Moreover, lately I've only used it to make "timelapses", so I had to convert all the photos to 16:9 by cropping a little bit from the top and bottom (it's an automatic process, but it has to be done).

So the question is there: buy cheap Olympus to take advantage of accessories but having to jam a format that I don't like or change brands.

Changing brands, which one gives better results in cheap models? Is it advisable to buy a second-hand reflex camera?

The thing is that the camera is something that I don't use continuously. Maybe I'll spend 6 months using it non-stop and then it will be left in a drawer for a year. In fact, I've been thinking for a while about buying a compact camera because the non-use was often due to the size.

Thanks.

[ferelxyx]

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ150 - Digital camera - 3D - 350 euros aprox
The DMC-FZ150 features a Leica DC Vario-Elmarit 25-600mm f/2.8-5.2
(equivalent to a 35mm camera). The 24x optical zoom of great …

regards

[amd125]

Hello:

First think about what you want.

For example, I have a Reflex for travel, a Canon 350D that I bought second-hand and it works very well despite being very old.

And when I'm on the go, or it doesn't fit in my suitcase :ugly: I carry a Panasonic LX5. Now I'm up to the LX7. It's a bit expensive, but except for very high ISOs it takes very good photos, and when I need a telephoto lens... I use the Panasonic TZ7 which has a 12x zoom and saves me in some occasions. Check out forums like Ojodigital, Canonistas... and above all, which you know about, a very good forum to see camera reviews

So first think about what you want. About the lenses you already have, if you change cameras you can end up selling them.

Personally, I don't like the 4/3 camera format. Either I carry a compact like the LX5 that fits in a pocket or I go with the Reflex. To carry a 4/3 I carry the Reflex which takes up little more and gives me better results, because I have a Tamrom 18-270mm with which I shoot everything on trips, and in the future I hope to get a 50mm bright lens for urban photography, because I love taking night photos and the All-Terrain is very short for that.

So sorry for the blabber :troll: first think about what you want, because there are good compacts at a good price, there are cheap but effective Reflexes like the Canon 1100D etc and there are very good 4/3 as well. So first decide the camera format.

That's what I tell you. When you have a Reflex in your hands, you read some books and above all you experiment a lot, if you like photography you will love the experience. An expensive world the Reflex one, but I have all the cameras and lenses I have been second-hand and look... it doesn't cost me that much.

[amd125]

@ferelxyx:

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ150 - Digital camera - 3D - 350 euros approx
The DMC-FZ150 features a Leica DC Vario-Elmarit 25-600mm f/2.8-5.2 lens
(equivalent to a 35mm camera). The 24x optical zoom of great …

regards

I do not recommend a Bridge because with all due respect to those who have one, it is a want and can not, and for what some are worth, better a cheap Reflex. I say this from my point of view as an amateur photographer. If someone is an amateur, but not very picky, and usually shoots in automatic instead of manual etc, then a bridge is not bad, but when you get into photography you run away from this format.

[ferelxyx]

@amd125:

I don't recommend a Bridge because, with all due respect to those who have one, it's a want and not a need, and for what they're worth, a cheap Reflex is better. I say this from my point of view as an amateur photographer. If someone is an amateur, but not very picky, and usually shoots in automatic mode instead of manual, etc., then a bridge isn't bad, but once you get into photography, you run away from this format.

You're right about that, the Panasonic LX7 is a better option but it costs about 430 euros
Until now, the LX saga was based on: a larger sensor than most compacts,
manual controls, RAW format capture and quality optics with a bright wide-angle
The zoom is modest but reasonable, with focal lengths equivalent to 24-90 millimeters helped by
an intelligent zoom function capable of extending this range without sacrificing much image quality.
integrated optics with the (f1.4-2.3) aperture range, the brightest at the moment
video recording (now Full HD) and the camera's burst shooting, which boasts a rate of
up to 11 frames per second without continuous focus or 5 shots per second with it

another similar one is the new Samsung EX2F with its 24 mm f1.4 price around 430 euros
The EX2F has manual controls and the RAW format. The list of new features includes a 3-inch AMOLED screen -articulated,
and Wi-Fi connection, which claims its presence with that "F" added to the model designation.
The lens is a Schneider-Kreuznach zoom of 3.3x that yields focal lengths equivalent to 24-80 millimeters
and boasts a brightness of f1.4-2.7. According to official data, the optical assembly consists of
an internal structure of 11 elements in 9 groups and includes 4 aspherical lenses in its design

image sensor is a 12-megapixel back-illuminated CMOS with dimensions of 1/1.7 of an inch.
The choice of a CMOS sensor also affects video recording, with Full HD clips of 1920 x 1080 pixels at 30p.

regards

[amd125]

The previous Samsung model was quite nice: http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-digitales/camaras/samsung-ex1,4644.html

And recently I saw it being sold in some store for about 200€. Very good price. It's a bit old but very good and with an excellent price.

Another nice one is the Canon G12. It can be found for about 400.

[cobito]

What I want is the best image quality at the best price. I also like to take night shots and some of them are several minutes of exposure. I also want to have the greatest control over the image: iso, focus, depth of field, aperture, etc, etc, etc. I had been with the Olympus for 4 years and I have given it its war. That is to say, I know something about photography and, although it is not a world that I am passionate about, I find it very interesting. With this I mean that I would never spend thousands of euros on this although I am willing to spend a little more than the average.

As I have said, lately I am doing timelapses so it is usual that I take 2000 or 3000 shots a week (some days it has sucked more than 1500 shots in one go): I need something that will not crack in a few months at this pace.

Those little ones are very interesting.

For now I opt for a reflex. I have seen two quite obvious options:

· Nikon D3000
· Canon EOS 1100D

Amabas with an 18-55mm.

I have to look now at the repertoire of objectives that exist and the characteristics of each one although the shots are going in that direction.

I also add among the possible ones the Panasonic LX7 and the Samsung EX2F although I have to check a couple of things about those models and if the size compensates for the manageability.

[amd125]

If you're going to take thousands of photos, I think a Reflex will last you longer. My Canon 350D can go over 20,000 photos. I don't know about the current ones, but professional ones go over several hundred thousand, although it's normal that you have to take them to the workshop every X time to tune them up. I have friends with Reflex cameras with over 100,000 photos, but they are always mid-to-high range cameras. You can also look at the second-hand photo market like ojo digital, canonistas, nikonistas… I bought my Reflex with a 18-55 lens on hard2mano almost two and a half years ago ;D so it's all about having patience. You can also access Reflex cameras that are a bit old but superior to the current entry-level range.

The LX7 will fall short for night photos just like the other one. If you still like it, you can try to get the previous Samsung model which, as I say, is very decent and goes for about 200 if you still find it.

A Reflex with a second-hand 50mm bright lens and you can take cool night photos. In theory, current Nikons are above Canons at high Isos, but then you have to analyze each specific model to see it in detail. The problem is that lenses are expensive, which is why you have to think carefully about making the jump to Reflex. But well, with my camera and my SUV I have beautiful night photos, it all depends on how picky you are ;D I don't ask for professional results in my photos, just that I like them when I see them on TV :troll:

Here you will find some reviews that will interest you, I like this web a lot and they are quite objective and impartial, they don't stick to brands.

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PD: the links don't seem to work, but they do :llorar: it's the "que sabes de" web

[cobito]

To be honest, 20,000 shots would be too low for me. With my Olympus I must have taken close to that in the last 2 months.

I'm reading reviews and looking up prices. At the moment I'm considering the EOS 1100d (€360) and the Nikon D3100 (€425) with 18-55mm. I'm also thinking about getting a 70-300mm (€150).

I'm ruling out the Nikon D3000 because they don't speak well of it and it also seems like an old model.

To all this I would have to add a couple of batteries (clones, €15), a normal tripod because they destroyed mine (€30) and a remote shutter release (€10).

What a mess…

I'll look on the second-hand market, although I'm not too keen because you don't know how many km the camera has and I think in my case it's vital to know.

I'm still reading your opinions and looking for information.

[amd125]

I tell you mine is 20,000 because it's about 8 years old. Current models last longer, but it should be a fact that you need to know before buying a camera. I will tell you that if you put 1000 shots a day into a Compact, it will last you very little.

The Nikon you were talking about is old. The Canon 1100D is better, but it feels like a toy to the touch, too much cheap plastic...

You can trust people on forums like Nikonistas, or Canonistas. They usually indicate the number of photos and take very good care of the material. A 70-300 lens will be expensive if it's stabilized. If not, it will be more affordable. Stabilized lenses are very expensive. My 18-270 cost me 400€ second-hand... and new it was around 600€.

It's an expensive world of Reflex. If you were happy with yours, except for the format issue, get another one.

If you want, open an account on Ojo Digital, the website, and let people advise you.

[ferelxyx]

if this helps you, it's worth it

The Canon EOS 1100D with 12.2 MP and the Nikon D3100 14.2 MP, behave in a fairly similar way,
only that I have found that the Nikon is much better in photos, during the day with a lot of light, and on the other hand the
Canon in terms of night photos with long or very long exposure time, reacts with
better quality, less noise, and less trembling in this type of night shot.

In terms of design and construction, the Nikon D3100D with its body built in steel and plastic alloy,
feels better to the touch, and even has a better grip, than the Canon EOS 1100D with its body in stainless steel and polycarbonate resin with glass fiber.
In terms of the focus Sensor of 9 points, central cross in Canon and Sensor of 11 zones in the Nikon,
I would say they have a technical tie, because I have not seen a difference in focus speed or precision in favor or against any of the 2 models.

Blog - COMPARATIVE CAMERA CANON EOS 1100D VS NIKON D3100

If you find a 550D at a good price, it might be more worth it than buying any of the two you mention, but if it has to be one of those two, the CANON EOS 1100D, I think it would be the best choice in your case

Canon Eos 550D+EF-S 18-55mm IS+4GB+Funda+Filtro €550.00

CANON EOS 550D+18-55mmIS+FUNDA+8GB €549.00

CANON EOS 1100D+CANON 18-55mm+CANON 75-300mm €499.00

Canon Eos 1100D+18-55mmIII+75-300mm+4GB+Funda+2 Filtros €539.00

regards

[cobito]

The 550d is a cabin, but it totally escapes my budget.

I am still deciding between the EOS 1100D and the Nikon D3100. And I am also weighing the possibility of buying another Olympus e-4xx or e-5xx second-hand.

For the moment, according to what I am reading, the Nikon is winning, although with what you have put about the night photos, well, I don't know...

I still remember that when I bought the Olympus, I spent about a month looking for information about cameras. Let's see if this bridge helps me decide, I would like to have it for next week.

[ferelxyx]

I personally like Nikon better, but in your case, Canon is a better choice because it's better for night photos and it's cheaper
but I know that you always doubt when buying and I'm the first to doubt

my brother started with Canon and he wasn't very happy with the results of the photos and I'm talking to you about more expensive cameras than the 1100D, I'm talking about the 60D and similar ones, and one day I bought a NIKON D300 and he didn't want to know anything about the Canons anymore, because he says it takes the photos the way he wants and in the CANONs that he had three different ones he wasn't able to

the main difference (apart from quality) is the handling of the machine because in NIKON it's more complicated
and it's more manual than in CANON

the Canons are very good but not everyone likes the way they take the photos
in fact, if you look for forums like canonistas and others you'll see that there are more people with CANON cameras than any other brand

the problem is that of all of us who don't have enough money to buy what we really like

these are photos from my brother: Flickr: capellan1's Photostream
don't be surprised by the language, because he lives in Portugal

this is my brother

regards

[cobito]

Your brother's photos are very cool. But of course, with what equipment!

The closest I've been is attaching a telescope with a focal length of 910 mm and a couple of Barlows and the result was pretty regular:

P5171059 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

P6111518 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

This week I'm going to hit a few stores with a colleague who knows about the subject.

[Magog]

I'm going to stop entering these threads, they are dangerous…. I start seeing reviews and in the end I have 50 tabs in the browser and many are from stores....

Goodbye.

[cobito]

@Magog:

I'm going to stop entering these threads, they're dangerous... I start seeing reviews and in the end I have 50 tabs in the browser and many are from stores...

Best regards.

My initial budget was around 300-400 €. Now I'm considering spending more than 600€.

Damn Internet.

[cobito]

After reading a lot of threads in the canonists', nikonists' forums and some other forums, reading a few reviews and seeing sample photos, the doubt is between these:

·Canon EOS 550d
·Nikon D3200
·Nikon D5100

Personally, I am more attracted to the Canon because I have found more accessories and at a better price (for example, the Nikon clonic batteries cost 20€ and the Canon ones 6). The only thing that bothers me is that the sensor is a bit smaller.

On the other hand, doing synthetic tests, the Nikon D3200 beats the Canon in terms of image quality, especially with high ISOs. But in the reviews in which the human eye has participated, there is not much difference between the qualities and the 24Mpixels are limited by the standard optics.

The D5100, which is an older model, seems to be on par with the D3200 except that its video capabilities are more limited.

Any comments to add?

And, please, don't tell me that for a little more I can get something better because with those cameras and a 70-300mm that I also want to get, the joke is getting to be 700€.

[Sylver]

The virgin, almost a salary to take photos, cheer up little buddy :cry:

[cobito]

@Sylver:

The virgin, almost a salary to take pictures, cheer up little one :crying:

Pss you see. I've realized that digital reflex cameras have not evolved much since I bought the Olympus almost 5 years ago and I don't think they will evolve much more so for me this is going to be a camera "for life".

[Sylver]

@cobito:

Pss ya ves. Me he dado cuenta de que la cámaras reflex digitales no han evolucionado mucho desde que compré la Olympus hace casi 5 años y no creo que vayan a evolucionar mucho más así que para mi esta va a ser una cámara "para toda la vida".

Esperemos que si, porque semejante sablazo es lo mismo que una buena actualización de plataforma, pero en términos distintos y con menos funcionalidad… :ffu:
Tio, si la pillas por ese precio yo le sacaría un seguro a todo riesgo por lo menos, que susto