Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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Thanks patagonico, and welcome too..;)
It's not my best post. I got to be the first in both xtreme and perfomace at the release of the GTX 680. Before, of course, the arrival of professional overclokers, but I was always in the Top HOF with that score.
I have no intention at the moment of a 4K panel... its price must be astronomical, and as you say they would be capped. I have enough already with the Dell 30" at 2560X1600p or multinimonitor.La the joy, is that you can put EVERYTHING you want, to EVERYTHING that the game gives..it doesn't matter 4 that 8X, that SSAA, that MSAA etc..it's a fucking joy...and the 4 WAY is not that it scales well.Es that it's the best 4 way I've had.
A hug.
So double congratulations for that 1st place and for the current 2nd place, I imagine that you must be enjoying it to the fullest, the 4 way is a silk to all power, well then maybe finally be the first in something ;D that is for 2014 because a 4K capped at 30 fps doesn't convince me and the only monitor that arrives in quality is Dell and no news of 4K.-
Salu2.-
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The "problem" seems clear, and it is consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not consume more than 283W I think..so,no matter the temp,voltage you put in,MHZ etc..every time it reaches that consumption the card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to its TPD of 250W.
Nvidia has clearly lied about this, I say this because there is no other explanation for the turbo boost 2.0 or that voltages are not applied at high MHZ..But still,I find it incredible for example,that AMD lets it consume up to 325-350W with very high OCs on a 7970.And this monstrous chip,is not allowed to suck up all the power..nevertheless this is only influential when benchmarking.In games the truth is that the frequency remains invariable practically 99% of the time..
A shame..but I think Nvidia knows very well what it is doing,what I don't know is why it does it…
Best regards.
Hi ELP3:
I don't know where I read it, that maybe they thought of releasing a Titan a little more "limited" than this one, but NOT lowering the price too much.
The idea that nVidia has regarding Titan is the same concept as when Intel released the X6800, QX, I7 980 X, etc …..
To continue marking a line with products for the general public and another line of "ELITE" products.
Best regards.
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That's exactly what's being discussed and because they lied about it, there are already a lot of people complaining and that's good because in the end Nvidia will have to do something about it. Like giving more margin. When and how? That's the question. But I think the chip is monstrous for the graphics power it offers. It's like a 560 CV BMW M5 limited to 200 km/h because of its consumption, when it could reach 320 km/h. That's my opinion.
I'm so eager to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:facepalm:
Things are bad, none of the Titans seem to allow control over the voltage, here's what's being said in other threads.
This TDP limit is 106% of Titan’s base TDP of 250W, or 265W. No matter what you throw at Titan or how you cool it, it will not let itself pull more than 265W sustained.
Overvolting is instead a set of two additional turbo clock bins, above and beyond Titan’s default top bin. On our sample the top bin is 1.1625v, which corresponds to a 992MHz core clock. Overvolting Titan to 1.2 means unlocking two more bins: 1006MHz @ 1.175v, and 1019MHz @ 1.2v. Or put another way, overvolting on Titan involves unlocking only another 27MHz in performance.
These two bins are in the strictest sense overvolting – NVIDIA doesn’t believe voltages over 1.1625v on Titan will meet their longevity standards, so using them is still very much going to reduce the lifespan of a Titan card – but it’s probably not the kind of direct control overvolting hardcore overclockers were expecting. The end result is that with Titan there’s simply no option to slap on another 0.05v – 0.1v in order to squeak out another 100MHz or so. You can trade longevity for the potential to get another 27MHz, but that’s it.
Ultimately, this means that overvolting as implemented on Titan cannot be used to improve the clockspeeds attainable through the use of the offset clock functionality NVIDIA provides. In the case of our sample it peters out after +115MHz offset without overvolting, and it peters out after +115MHz offset with overvolting. The only difference is that we gain access to a further 27MHz when we have the thermal and power headroom available to hit the necessary bins.
Those partners will have the option to release Titan cards with factory overclocks and Titan cards with different coolers (i.e. water blocks), but they won’t be able to expose direct voltage control or ship parts with higher voltages. Nor for that matter will they be able to create Titan cards with significantly different designs (i.e. more VRM phases); every Titan card will be a variant on the reference design.
pero es verdad que Nvidia no dijo que estuvieran capadas,decia que era por la temperatura,pero no es asi en realidad a la hora de ocearlas.
AnandTech - NVIDIAâ€
s GeForce GTX Titan Review, Part 2: Titan's Performance UnveiledIf I also love this graphics card and if they release one for $600 with 3 GB and with 20% less performance, there will be several of us who will fall for the temptation.
The video is very good, it's a blast to play like this.-
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It's difficult to see one at 600$, maybe when they're about to release the 780 and seeing Nvidia's move, it's scary to think what they're going to do, which with the 780 should allow custom models, but seeing that the Titans have a power cap, I bet that if they release another more cut version, it will come with the same thing, a power cap so that it doesn't get close to their other cards and a lower cap.
Maybe with the 780 it's better since at least they will have to release custom models with more VRM and it's more likely that they will allow a higher cap, therefore they should allow higher frequencies
regards
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The truth is that you don't stop man, you're a great guy, let's see if I can find some time and do a small update myself too because from what I see these chicks are doing well aren't they ELP?, I've got this a bit abandoned to be honest, don't let your guard down for a second look every day in futuremark …. don't let a guy from Murcia come and kick your ass.... jajaja :mad:, it's a joy to read us all again, with enthusiasm and good vibes which is what was needed, well as I said a pleasure as always and we'll be around here, great work as always makina¡¡¡ ;D
a pleasure to read you, and of course, let's hope soon, to see your mods,….
regards
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Thanks guys, the truth is that I never stopped reading you ^^, but well, I've taken a year off, let's say, dedicated to other things, my business and playing in my free time, which I needed:D sometimes even if there are things you like a lot, one collapses and it's good to detox a little to come back with more strength, but nothing, I'm already back here fighting again, regarding what jotole says, the mod will have to wait a little longer …. this damn crisis xD :facepalm:... although the craving is still alive, I have that on record jajaja :ffu:
Well, the important thing is to see you in "active", again, you'll be building mods, we know for sure that you don't lack imagination.
.So you surprise us on the least expected day….....
.A greeting..!!
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The "problem" seems clear what it is, and it is the consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not spend more than 283W I think.. with which, it doesn't matter temp, voltage that you put, MHZ etc.. every time it reaches that consumption the graphics card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to maintain its TPD of 250W
Perhaps some good overclocks can be achieved without touching the voltage. After all, both voltage and temperature, influence consumption, and if it is consumption that limits.... although I still don't see a reasonable explanation for the fan after having soaked the threads of EVGA and Overclockers, which makes me think that it could still be a problem of drivers, we will have to wait a little.
Regards
P.D. My Titan arrives on Tuesday, I'm so looking forward to giving it a try
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Maybe some good overclocks can be achieved without touching the voltage. After all, both voltage and temperature affect consumption, and if it is consumption that limits ….... although I still haven't seen a reasonable explanation for the fan after having soaked the EVGA and Overclockers threads, which makes me think that it could still be a driver problem, we'll have to wait a bit.
Regards
P.D. My Titan arrives on Tuesday, I'm so looking forward to giving it a try
The only 2 explanations I see possible for the fan are the following:
1. That the OC is not only linked or is not directly linked to the temperature as such, but to the fan revolutions, which at the same time should be linked to the temperature in auto mode.
2. Although this is more childish, the fan at maximum on this TITAN does buzz, it is noisy and I suppose that some extra W expense could lead to putting it at maximum, therefore it also makes the graphics card reach the total wattage limit sooner..although of course, we would be talking about 2 or 3W..I don't think more…
Regards and there's less left...;)
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Hello:
Weren't the Titans supposed to have evolved in terms of noise and heat dissipation compared to the GTX 680 / 690 due to their all-aluminum surface?
The noise argument doesn't make sense if you say the fan spins at almost 100%, which would already make more noise than the mentioned GTXs and Nvidia boasts that Titans are quieter...
I don't understand.
Where do you want to go from here?
Best regards.
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Hello:
Weren't the Titans supposed to have evolved in terms of noise and heat dissipation compared to the GTX 680 / 690 due to their all-aluminum surface?
There is no sense in the noise if you say that the fan spins at almost 100% which would already make more noise than the mentioned GTXs and Nvidia boasts that Titans are quieter ….......
I don't understand.
Where do you want to go with this?
Best regards.
What we are talking about has nothing to do with what you are saying, which is about the OC variable and the fan at maximum manual speed.
Out of the box, it is very quiet, extremely quiet I would say. Because the fan has a profile that is too conservative.
What we are talking about is that Nvidia said that the OC would be linked to the temperature, and that is not true, because when you set the fan to spin manually at maximum speed, the temperatures do not exceed 55º, the noise is considerable like that, which will never happen in auto mode, but however the "maintained" OC is worse..
Cheers.
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It's difficult for us to see one at $600, maybe when they are about to release the 780 and seeing Nvidia's move, it's scary what they are thinking of doing, which with the 780 should allow for custom models, but seeing that the Titans come with a power limit, I bet that if they release another one that's more cut down, it will come with the same thing, a power limit so that it doesn't get close to their other cards and a lower limit.
Maybe with the 780 it's better since at least they will have to release custom models with more VRM and it's more likely that they will allow a higher limit, therefore they should allow higher frequencies
regards
Difficult but not impossible, although a GTX 780 with 3 GB with good performance wouldn't be bad either, now I'll answer your question about how the Titans are going over here, incredibly you can already order it and it takes 12 days for delivery but with a price of € 2500 (3 months salary of an average worker) when they stabilize they will go down to € 1400.-
Salu2.
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What we're talking about has nothing to do with what you're saying, which is about the OC variable and the fan at maximum manual speed.
Out of the box, it's very quiet, extremely quiet I'd say. Because the fan has a profile that's too conservative.
What we're discussing is that NVIDIA said the OC would be linked to the temperature, and that's not true, because when you set the fan to spin manually at maximum speed, the temperatures don't go above 55°C, the noise is considerable like that, which will never happen in auto mode, but the "maintained" OC is worse...
Regards.
Out of the box, it will be quiet but even if you DON'T do OC which is your case and in my case for Computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units demand LOAD on the graphics, which raises the temperature and therefore you have to increase the fan RPM to maintain the temperature, which means it's NO LONGER quiet, right?
Besides the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the graphics consumption also increases and if you've mentioned that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I believe it's at 285 W...
Regards.
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And with the latest EVGA Precision software 4.0, you can't control the ºC associated with the power target?
If you set it to 80 ºC, the OC would run smoother, right?
There was a video on YouTube about it:
If with the KGB you increase the power target to 120% and keep it at 80 ºC, wouldn't you get a higher level of boost and higher clocks?
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By default, it will be silent, but even if you don't make it OC, which is your case and in my case for Computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units, the graphics are required to be LOADED, so the temperature rises and therefore you have to increase the fan's rpm to maintain the temperature, so it's NO LONGER silent, right?
Apart from the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the consumption of the graphics also increases and if you have commented that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I think I remember it to 285 W …...........
Regards.
In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, putting two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
regards
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In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, putting two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
saludos
My GTX 580 are reference less 1 that is:
and the ATI HD 7970 also reference.
Perhaps that video with the Toxic system distorts something the "sound".
Nevertheless, thanks for that link.
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My GTX 580s are reference less 1 which is:
and the ATI HD 7970 also reference.
Perhaps that video with the Toxic system distorts the "sound" a bit.
Nevertheless, thanks for that link.
Man the Toxics must be quieter than yours, although they put two and maybe if it's not a reference model it's worse for CF, the Titans are the reference model and if with the bad profile they bring they don't go up much in temperature I think that profile could be varied so that they go up less in temperature and are not noisy, just by speeding it up before I think you could gain a few degrees without needing to increase the noise.
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By default, it will be silent, but even if you don't make it oc, which is your case and in my case for computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units, the graphics card is required to be LOADED, so the temperature rises and therefore you have to increase the fan's rpm to maintain the temperature, so it's no longer silent, right?
Apart from the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the consumption of the graphics card also increases, and if you've mentioned that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I think it's at 285 W...
Regards.
No.Es is not always silent if the fan is on Auto. The 80º limit makes it barely increase 10-15% in revolutions under full load from the iddle.No don't worry about that, it's one of the quietest graphics cards I've ever had. However, always with the fan on auto.
Cheers.
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In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, having two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
regards
It's incredible, that they spend less than the toxics (or that's what it seems to me)…and on top with more graphic options and I would say with less noise...anyway..
regards.
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Bienvenido Pakitoesp,esto va ganando con cada incorporacion.
saludos
Para benchmark sinteticos te interesa mas la de 2 GB,pues podras subir mas la memoria y algo se notara,aunque el 3dmark ultimo parece que va a mas resolucion en extremo,no se si pedira mas vram por que ni lo he probado,pero viendo los graficos dudo que consuma 2 gb,los 4gb lastraran mas el OC,sobretodo de la memoria y al subir la GPU viene bien poder subir mas la memoria,mas en esas tarjetas de 256 bits.
tambien influye que la grafica tenga una memoria buena que permita subir.
saludos
Gracias por la explicacion.
Entiendo que una tarjeta con 2 GB de VRAM suban mas las memos en clocks que no tanto una de 4 GB.
Las mejores memorias o de las mejores son las Hynix, muchas que he tenido con ese chip subian mucho mas.
Y ya lo voy teniendo claro que con 2 GB voy sobrado para lo que usaria la grafica.
Ahh!! Buenas pakitoesp, me alegra verte, ahora el que va 1º de España en HWBOT es ZuperNico, nos ha pasado a los dos por la chepa …. jajajajaja
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Thanks for the explanation.
I understand that a card with 2 GB of VRAM will increase the clocks more than a 4 GB one.
The best memory or the best ones are the Hynix, many that I have had with that chip went up much more.
And I already have it clear that with 2 GB I have more than enough for what I would use the graphics for.
Ahh!! Good pakitoesp, I'm glad to see you, now the one who is 1st in Spain in HWBOT is ZuperNico, he has passed us both by the cheek... hahaha
In the tests that you use, which are preset, and 99% are with a maximum resolution of 1080p. The only thing that 4GB of VRAM does is slow you down...
Salu2.
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In the tests that you use, which are preset, and 99% are with a maximum resolution of 1080p. The only thing that 4GB of Vram does is slow you down…
Salu2.
Thanks for the confirmation, because I forgot about more VRAM to get better results, it's super clear that it doesn't benefit in the tests we use.
By the way, something has come out about VMOD for the TITANs, it's being talked about by XtremeSystems in case someone wants to check it out.
Salu2!
