Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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The "problem" seems clear what it is, and it is the consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not spend more than 283W I think.. with which, it doesn't matter temp, voltage that you put, MHZ etc.. every time it reaches that consumption the graphics card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to maintain its TPD of 250W
Perhaps some good overclocks can be achieved without touching the voltage. After all, both voltage and temperature, influence consumption, and if it is consumption that limits.... although I still don't see a reasonable explanation for the fan after having soaked the threads of EVGA and Overclockers, which makes me think that it could still be a problem of drivers, we will have to wait a little.
Regards
P.D. My Titan arrives on Tuesday, I'm so looking forward to giving it a try
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Maybe some good overclocks can be achieved without touching the voltage. After all, both voltage and temperature affect consumption, and if it is consumption that limits ….... although I still haven't seen a reasonable explanation for the fan after having soaked the EVGA and Overclockers threads, which makes me think that it could still be a driver problem, we'll have to wait a bit.
Regards
P.D. My Titan arrives on Tuesday, I'm so looking forward to giving it a try
The only 2 explanations I see possible for the fan are the following:
1. That the OC is not only linked or is not directly linked to the temperature as such, but to the fan revolutions, which at the same time should be linked to the temperature in auto mode.
2. Although this is more childish, the fan at maximum on this TITAN does buzz, it is noisy and I suppose that some extra W expense could lead to putting it at maximum, therefore it also makes the graphics card reach the total wattage limit sooner..although of course, we would be talking about 2 or 3W..I don't think more…
Regards and there's less left...;)
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Hello:
Weren't the Titans supposed to have evolved in terms of noise and heat dissipation compared to the GTX 680 / 690 due to their all-aluminum surface?
The noise argument doesn't make sense if you say the fan spins at almost 100%, which would already make more noise than the mentioned GTXs and Nvidia boasts that Titans are quieter...
I don't understand.
Where do you want to go from here?
Best regards.
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Hello:
Weren't the Titans supposed to have evolved in terms of noise and heat dissipation compared to the GTX 680 / 690 due to their all-aluminum surface?
There is no sense in the noise if you say that the fan spins at almost 100% which would already make more noise than the mentioned GTXs and Nvidia boasts that Titans are quieter ….......
I don't understand.
Where do you want to go with this?
Best regards.
What we are talking about has nothing to do with what you are saying, which is about the OC variable and the fan at maximum manual speed.
Out of the box, it is very quiet, extremely quiet I would say. Because the fan has a profile that is too conservative.
What we are talking about is that Nvidia said that the OC would be linked to the temperature, and that is not true, because when you set the fan to spin manually at maximum speed, the temperatures do not exceed 55º, the noise is considerable like that, which will never happen in auto mode, but however the "maintained" OC is worse..
Cheers.
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It's difficult for us to see one at $600, maybe when they are about to release the 780 and seeing Nvidia's move, it's scary what they are thinking of doing, which with the 780 should allow for custom models, but seeing that the Titans come with a power limit, I bet that if they release another one that's more cut down, it will come with the same thing, a power limit so that it doesn't get close to their other cards and a lower limit.
Maybe with the 780 it's better since at least they will have to release custom models with more VRM and it's more likely that they will allow a higher limit, therefore they should allow higher frequencies
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Difficult but not impossible, although a GTX 780 with 3 GB with good performance wouldn't be bad either, now I'll answer your question about how the Titans are going over here, incredibly you can already order it and it takes 12 days for delivery but with a price of € 2500 (3 months salary of an average worker) when they stabilize they will go down to € 1400.-
Salu2.
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What we're talking about has nothing to do with what you're saying, which is about the OC variable and the fan at maximum manual speed.
Out of the box, it's very quiet, extremely quiet I'd say. Because the fan has a profile that's too conservative.
What we're discussing is that NVIDIA said the OC would be linked to the temperature, and that's not true, because when you set the fan to spin manually at maximum speed, the temperatures don't go above 55°C, the noise is considerable like that, which will never happen in auto mode, but the "maintained" OC is worse...
Regards.
Out of the box, it will be quiet but even if you DON'T do OC which is your case and in my case for Computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units demand LOAD on the graphics, which raises the temperature and therefore you have to increase the fan RPM to maintain the temperature, which means it's NO LONGER quiet, right?
Besides the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the graphics consumption also increases and if you've mentioned that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I believe it's at 285 W...
Regards.
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And with the latest EVGA Precision software 4.0, you can't control the ºC associated with the power target?
If you set it to 80 ºC, the OC would run smoother, right?
There was a video on YouTube about it:
If with the KGB you increase the power target to 120% and keep it at 80 ºC, wouldn't you get a higher level of boost and higher clocks?
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By default, it will be silent, but even if you don't make it OC, which is your case and in my case for Computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units, the graphics are required to be LOADED, so the temperature rises and therefore you have to increase the fan's rpm to maintain the temperature, so it's NO LONGER silent, right?
Apart from the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the consumption of the graphics also increases and if you have commented that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I think I remember it to 285 W …...........
Regards.
In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, putting two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
regards
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In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, putting two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
saludos
My GTX 580 are reference less 1 that is:
and the ATI HD 7970 also reference.
Perhaps that video with the Toxic system distorts something the "sound".
Nevertheless, thanks for that link.
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My GTX 580s are reference less 1 which is:
and the ATI HD 7970 also reference.
Perhaps that video with the Toxic system distorts the "sound" a bit.
Nevertheless, thanks for that link.
Man the Toxics must be quieter than yours, although they put two and maybe if it's not a reference model it's worse for CF, the Titans are the reference model and if with the bad profile they bring they don't go up much in temperature I think that profile could be varied so that they go up less in temperature and are not noisy, just by speeding it up before I think you could gain a few degrees without needing to increase the noise.
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By default, it will be silent, but even if you don't make it oc, which is your case and in my case for computing, to handle "parallels", when processing units, the graphics card is required to be LOADED, so the temperature rises and therefore you have to increase the fan's rpm to maintain the temperature, so it's no longer silent, right?
Apart from the fact that as you increase ALL these values, the consumption of the graphics card also increases, and if you've mentioned that there comes a moment when it self-limits, I think it's at 285 W...
Regards.
No.Es is not always silent if the fan is on Auto. The 80º limit makes it barely increase 10-15% in revolutions under full load from the iddle.No don't worry about that, it's one of the quietest graphics cards I've ever had. However, always with the fan on auto.
Cheers.
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In this video you can see what two consume and also the noise they make, having two means higher temperature and they are playing BF3 at 2560x1600, the graphics must work at high loads, in that game and that resolution, compare against two 7970 toxic that also already have good dissipation.
regards
It's incredible, that they spend less than the toxics (or that's what it seems to me)…and on top with more graphic options and I would say with less noise...anyway..
regards.
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Bienvenido Pakitoesp,esto va ganando con cada incorporacion.
saludos
Para benchmark sinteticos te interesa mas la de 2 GB,pues podras subir mas la memoria y algo se notara,aunque el 3dmark ultimo parece que va a mas resolucion en extremo,no se si pedira mas vram por que ni lo he probado,pero viendo los graficos dudo que consuma 2 gb,los 4gb lastraran mas el OC,sobretodo de la memoria y al subir la GPU viene bien poder subir mas la memoria,mas en esas tarjetas de 256 bits.
tambien influye que la grafica tenga una memoria buena que permita subir.
saludos
Gracias por la explicacion.
Entiendo que una tarjeta con 2 GB de VRAM suban mas las memos en clocks que no tanto una de 4 GB.
Las mejores memorias o de las mejores son las Hynix, muchas que he tenido con ese chip subian mucho mas.
Y ya lo voy teniendo claro que con 2 GB voy sobrado para lo que usaria la grafica.
Ahh!! Buenas pakitoesp, me alegra verte, ahora el que va 1º de España en HWBOT es ZuperNico, nos ha pasado a los dos por la chepa …. jajajajaja
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Thanks for the explanation.
I understand that a card with 2 GB of VRAM will increase the clocks more than a 4 GB one.
The best memory or the best ones are the Hynix, many that I have had with that chip went up much more.
And I already have it clear that with 2 GB I have more than enough for what I would use the graphics for.
Ahh!! Good pakitoesp, I'm glad to see you, now the one who is 1st in Spain in HWBOT is ZuperNico, he has passed us both by the cheek... hahaha
In the tests that you use, which are preset, and 99% are with a maximum resolution of 1080p. The only thing that 4GB of VRAM does is slow you down...
Salu2.
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In the tests that you use, which are preset, and 99% are with a maximum resolution of 1080p. The only thing that 4GB of Vram does is slow you down…
Salu2.
Thanks for the confirmation, because I forgot about more VRAM to get better results, it's super clear that it doesn't benefit in the tests we use.
By the way, something has come out about VMOD for the TITANs, it's being talked about by XtremeSystems in case someone wants to check it out.
Salu2!
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I wonder, if the Titan is the most powerful out there now, when the 780 comes out, will it be more powerful than the Titan? Normally the next generation is usually a little stronger, but the Titan is already 50% more powerful than the 680, so what the hell is going to happen? What kind of cucumber are they going to launch with the 7xx series?
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No.Es is ALWAYS silent when the fan is on Auto.The 80º limit makes it barely go up 10-15% in full load from the iddle.No don't get your head around that, it's one of the quietest graphics I've ever had.That said, always with the fan on auto.
Salu2.
But, what about when it's NOT on automatic …?
How much do the º and the sound level go up?
Keep in mind that according to the project, it "stresses" the graphics to a greater or lesser extent, so I can NEVER have the fan on AUTO, I have to adjust it manually..............
Saludos.
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There will be discussions and opinions but since I've been in this field of Computing and for the amount of graphics cards (both ATI and nVidia) that have already passed through my hands, I can assure you that the data bus HAS A LOT TO DO with the performance of a graphics card.
Well and therefore, the bandwidth is unquestionable.
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The width of the bus per se DOESN'T matter, I'll repeat it if necessary a thousand times, what matters is the total bandwidth that is obtained in which the bus can greatly help, especially in cases where the same types of memory are used with different bus widths.
But by itself with the same bandwidth and a 128-bit bus and a 512-bit bus you will get THE SAME performance. In fact it is more likely that it will go worse with a very wide bus because depending on its memory controller configuration it may greatly waste the bandwidth it has.
That's what happened in pre-Geforce3 graphics cards where there were not several memory controllers for each 32-64 bit channel, and therefore when accessing an X data of 32 bits an entire line of, for example, 128 bits was loaded. It could happen that the following 96 bits were left over.
One of the main reasons why the Radeon 8500 was inferior in real performance to its rivals, despite how nice the chip was in capabilities and so on, is because of this issue, since the nVidias were much more efficient with a similar bus when using several separate memory channels.
So if one had to say something about whether the bus itself is better or worse for it to be wide, by itself it would actually be worse. Although obviously if the solution is well implemented (as is the case today) and memory of similar frequency is used with wider buses, it is clear that the wide data bus is "better". But it is not "better" for an ethereal reason of the "goodness/quality" of the use of a wide bus, it is because of the simple and plain bandwidth, which increases with the bus. Nothing more, nothing less. Same bandwidth, same performance, whether the bus is 1 bit or three million bits (I am deliberately ignoring the problem of latencies, since it is a separate issue and in graphics it really has little influence).
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Yes, in principle the important thing is the effective bandwidth, regardless of how it is achieved, whether with more BUS or with higher VRAM speeds...
Best regards.
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I wonder, if the Titan is the most powerful one out there right now, when the 780s come out, will it be more powerful than the Titan? Usually the next generation is a bit stronger, but the Titan is already 50% more powerful than the 680, so what the hell is going to happen? What kind of cucumber are they going to launch with the 7xx series?
I don't think the 780 will outperform the Titan, it will depend a bit on when they release it, if they release it in half a year I don't think it will perform as well as the Titan, if they release it at the end of the year it's more possible, if they are the specifications that some websites put with 1920SP and 384 bits I don't think it will perform as well as the Titan, I mean this one.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 | techPowerUp GPU Database
Difficult but not impossible, although a GTX 780 with 3 GB with good performance wouldn't be bad either, now I'll answer your question about how the Titans are going these days, incredibly you can already order it and it takes 12 days for delivery but with a price of € 2500 (3 average worker salaries) when they stabilize they will go down to € 1400.-
Regards.
Impossible not but difficult yes, consider that if it takes two or three months to come out and the 780s come out in early June they won't be interested in releasing that GK110 anymore, it's cheaper for them to have a GK114 or whatever they call the 780, it's also more profitable for them and in performance they will probably be close even though the K20 should have more muscle for having more SP, but they could give the 780 a higher clock and without GPGPU, in the end they would be very close, although if they delay the 770.780 until the end of the year then it's much more possible that they will release another GK110 that's more cut.
It's incredible, that they consume less than the toxics (or that's what it seems to me)…and on top of that with more graphics options and I would say with less noise...anyway...
Regards.
In that video it seems like they consume less and are less noisy when playing, in 2D it seems like they consume a bit more, the noise is also inferior because it puts the microphone closer and even so it sounds less, with the Toxics it puts it on top and they sound more, I don't know what they will comment because they are Germans, but just by watching it seems clear.
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