[Review by ELP3] AMD Radeon FURY X
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Hello ELP3 and CIA, long time no see :D. It seems that the itch is a bit restless with the heat because I've been bitten again too, xDDD. After a period full of events and brutal expenses (Flat, furniture, wedding…) and more or less back to tranquility, I'm gathering information to build a new PC :D.
From what I've seen on various websites and in the extremely useful review of my friend ELP3, as is customary for him :D, the wait for the release of this new Fury X has not personally been worth it. I think the GTX 980ti will definitely be the option for this summer.
Greetings to everyone, what a pleasure it is to read you again :D.
Hello txemote long time no see, we always come back here but I'm increasingly reluctant to buy any hardware, not only because it's expensive but also because the games turn out badly.
If I get the itch for those Maxwells because they seem to be going up well, but in the end I hope because the graphics cards are getting to prices never seen before, that's why lately I think more about spending.
Regards
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Vaya..
The "old guard" is back
It's a pleasure to read you all.
As I say, it's always good to have good people...;)
A hug to all...
Especially to txemote, who has already married us! haha
You have nothing to expect...xD
A hug to all.
P.D.
All the reviews of Fury have already come out, you have already seen that they coincide more or less with what I put, and do not expect anything more, because I do not have it anymore..
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You liked it little or it was borrowed XD.
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Vaya..
The "old guard" is back
It's a pleasure to read you all.
As I say, it's always good to have good people…;)
A hug to everyone...
Especially to txemote, who has already joined us! jaja
You have nothing to expect…xD
A hug to everyone.
P.D.
All the reviews of Fury have come out, you've already seen that they more or less coincide with what I said, and don't expect anything more, because I don't have it anymore..
Such old guard that even the most reckless fall down under the altar….:troll:
Your card didn't last long, I suppose it was borrowed, because for a return it would be a record time. Although, seeing that performance and price, the experiment loses "the charm" because you can't get much more out of it, and knowing the TitanX or GTX 980 Ti in performance and "tinkering".... there's not much more to say, except:
AMD, LOWER the prices.
That's the only lifeline for this model and others. I don't know why they went crazy with the prices in these launches, I don't know what the people in charge were thinking. This way you can't compete from a minority position in the market. That only works when you dominate it, it goes without saying (and nvidia knows it perfectly).
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Wow so many people I know :risitas:
Greetings to all jejejeje.I think they would have to lower the price a lot to justify them, maybe it's a matter of drivers, but they don't perform as expected (at least as they had advertised them as "Titan hunters x" lol) not even at the level of the Ti.
On top of that there's the issue of the interposer that connects the chip with the HBM ram, which turns out to be as delicate as possible and if you remove the heatsink and don't clean the thermal paste carefully, you'll fry the chip quickly, according to what I read in several places.Greetings. ;D
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I hope this helps to add more memory because otherwise the graphics memory will surpass that of the system, we will need more.
Lately I don't want to put more than one card, if you already have to fight with one, for the games they release, two is not my thing.I hope W10 runs well, but things they do like the last Batman that they commission the port to a few programmers without resources, who make a cutreport and then you have to fix it with patches and drivers, well the truth is that it's best to play when it costs €10 or less because they have already fixed most of the bugs.
Regards
I was always a monogpu guy but the resolution commands and with 4K I started with SLI GTX 980 which performed quite similar to the Titan or a little better with 1 graphic, in most games SLI moves around 40fps with drops to 30fps.
If DX12 delivers on that 50% improvement it could be close to 60 fps otherwise I would add the Titan to test, 3 for me unthinkable a while ago.
I would also like to see if in W10 the memories of these Fury X achieve some improvement in a CF against the traditional DDR5 memory of a CF 390X, say.
Regards.-
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By Facebook, on the AMD page.. hahaha it's for laughing not crying..
Harima Kenji I'm really shocked with this card, first it doesn't beat the 980ti which pisses me off, second you put a fucking water kit and don't cool the phases? are you serious? 104 degrees under load? it's normal that you can handle overclocking, seriously your engineers are fucking awesome
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Crack XD, truths as fists … Seeing the reviews, I've missed the hype, we'll see if it's the same with dx12...
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For sure, the best thing out there in reviews. Only 4K, though.
Paraphrasing Ballmer: Controllers, controllers, controllers.Confirms what ELP3 says, although they make a very conservative critique - well done, on the other hand, after all, their job is not to rant.
AMD's Radeon R9 Fury X graphics card reviewed - The Tech Report - Page 1
And many thanks, ELP3 for bothering to do your preview.
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Since they are testing, they could update drivers, the 353.06 improve something in kepler and the 353.30 another step more, according to nvidia they are correcting bugs... I lean towards the idea that they have been capping performance to favor maxwell and thus sell something more, details like not including more than mid-range of the 7 series in the datasheet of the 350.12 and the reviews that have been done by users betray them XD.
Nowadays, no one is safe.
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I've always been a monogpu user, but resolution is king, and with 4K, I started with SLI GTX 980, which performed quite similar to the Titan or a bit better with 1 GPU. In most games, SLI runs at about 40fps with drops to 30fps.
If DX12 delivers on that 50% improvement, it could be close to 60fps; otherwise, I'd add a Titan to test it, which was unthinkable for me a while ago.
I'd also like to see if, on W10, the memory of these Fury X can achieve any improvement in a CF setup compared to the traditional DDR5 memory of a CF 390X.
Best regards.
But 4K should be able to run at 60fps if you lower the settings; you shouldn't need the filters that much. If I see it dropping to 30 or 40fps on low settings, I'd rather lose quality than smoothness and agility.
I don't believe the DX12 hype until I see it for myself. Lately, I've seen a lot of marketing about graphics, processors, and systems, and in the end, it doesn't deliver. Graphics progress is slowing down, CPU improvements are barely noticeable, and prices are going up across the board.
This time, looking at the prices of the 980Ti when it came out, I thought that those who bought the Titan X at launch had the best justification. It's very expensive, but it has maintained the price of previous Titans while the GTX series has gone up. It has the full chip and 12GB, which justifies the price difference more and, above all, they have it earlier.
As for the memory, we'll see how it works and if it doesn't cause a bunch of problems. W10 might improve things a bit, but I don't expect 50%; maybe in some things like being able to display more objects, but in most things, I don't think it will be noticeable.
Best regards.
@Handrox:On Facebook, on the AMD page... hahaha, good for a laugh, not for crying...
Harima Kenji I'm really disappointed with this card. First, it doesn't outperform the 980ti, which bothers me. Second, you put a water-cooling kit on it and didn't cool the phases? Seriously? 104 degrees under load? It's normal that you can handle overclocking, but seriously, your engineers are a bunch of losers
If they have cooling on the phases, there's a RL tube that covers the phases. The thing is, they're digital phases and they get hot, but they do have a metal RL tube for the phases.
Anyway, AMD has done more than I thought, considering the TDP of the 290x, the performance per watt, and without an architecture change.
I thought they would change it a bit to GCN 1.2 and lower manufacturing costs, because I don't think it's very profitable to compete with 512-bit and 8GB cards against 256-bit and 4GB cards. The 380 competes with 256-bit against the 128 of a 960, which must cost Nvidia a fortune to manufacture. Some 960 PCBs are a disgrace, which makes it harder for them to set aggressive prices.
But this will affect us all when buying; we'll pay more and get more ridiculous advancements.
Best regards
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But 4K should be able to run at 60 fps if you lower the options, you shouldn't need the filters that much. I really, if I see it dropping to 30 or 40 fps when I lower things, I'd rather lose quality than smoothness and agility.
I don't believe in Dx12 until I see it, because lately I see a lot of marketing about graphics, processors, and systems, and then in the end it's not fulfilled. Graphics are advancing less and less, CPU is barely noticeable, what I do see is a price increase in everything.
This time, seeing the prices of the 980Ti when it came out, I thought that those who bought the Titan X when it came out have the best justification. It's very expensive, but it has maintained the price of previous Titans while the GTXs have gone up. They have the full chip and 12 GB, which at least justifies the price difference more and, above all, they have them earlier.
The memory thing, we'll see how it works and if it doesn't cause a bunch of problems. Something did improve with W10, but I don't expect 50%, maybe in some things like being able to display more objects, but in most things I don't think it will be noticeable.
Saludos
Surely this is like always, that 50% in the end will be 30%, but it compensates me a lot and if the Titan adds another 20% welcome, as they are continuous ranges and the same type of memory, I see it as possible. Everyone has their own style of play. The 30fps was always my limit and always ultra and without filters in 4K.
Now the problem I see that could happen with the Fury is that having a different type of memory, it might not get along with the other AMD in W10.
It will be interesting to see when W10 comes out if ELP3, with its wide variety of graphics, dares to test how the compatibilities of graphics of the same generation work, mixing graphics of different generations, even Amd-Nvidia, or simply demonstrating that in the end not everything works as it was said.
Saludos.-
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But 4K should be able to run at 60 fps if you lower the settings, you shouldn't need the filters that much. If I see it drop to 30 or 40 fps when I lower the settings, I'd rather lose quality than smoothness and agility.
I don't believe in DX12 until I see it, because lately I see a lot of marketing about graphics, processors, and systems, and then in the end it's not fulfilled. Graphics are advancing less and less, CPU is barely noticeable, but I do see a price increase in everything.
This time, seeing the prices of the 980Ti when it came out, I thought that those who bought the Titan X at launch had the best justification. It's very expensive, but it has maintained the price of previous Titans while the GTXs have gone up. They have the full chip and 12 GB, which justifies the price difference more, and they have it earlier.
The memory thing, we'll see how it works and if it doesn't cause a bunch of problems. Windows 10 did improve some things, but I don't expect 50%, maybe in some things like being able to display more objects, but in most things I don't think it will be noticeable.
regards
If they have cooling on the phases, they have a RL tube that covers the phases. The thing is that they are digital phases and those get hot, but they do have a metal RL tube for the phases.
Anyway, AMD has done more than I thought, seeing the TDP of the 290x, the performance per watt and also without an architecture change.
I thought they would change a little to GCN 1.2 and lower manufacturing costs a bit, because I don't think it's very profitable for them to compete with 512-bit and 8GB cards against 256-bit and 4GB cards. The 380 competes with 256-bit against the 128 of a 960, which must cost Nvidia a fortune to manufacture. Some 960 PCBs are a disgrace, that's why it's harder for them to put aggressive prices.
But that will affect us all when buying, we'll pay more and see more ridiculous advances.
regards
Well I expected more, note that AMD has really done very little to improve its architecture, almost all the TDP improvement is a consequence of HBM, GCN is still a volcano when it comes to running strong. That same chip couldn't come out as it is, using GDDR5. AMD needs to stop and think about many things, they're running out of powder, time is getting short and I think that was their last wildcard. It's possible we'll see AMD's quotas drop to almost nothing in the coming months. WATCH OUT!
regards
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Man, I expected more, you should see that AMD has really done very little to improve its architecture, almost all improvement in TDP is a consequence of HBM, GCN is still a volcano when it comes to running strong. That same chip couldn't come out as it is, using GDDR5. AMD needs to stop and think about many things, it's running out of powder, time is getting shorter and I think that was their last wildcard. It's possible we see AMD's quotas drop to almost nothing in the coming months. WATCH OUT!
Regards..
Man, the consumption stays between a maxwell and a Kepler in efficiency, since in that aspect the HBM memory helps, but I doubt it's the only factor in the equation:
AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4 GB Review | techPowerUp
It's clear that if instead of consuming 20W it consumes 4 W in the memories, it helps. But when we talk about a consumption of more than 200W, it's more of an "addition" than a primordial effect.
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Hello txemote, long time no see, we always come back here but I'm increasingly reluctant to buy any hardware, not just because it's expensive but also because the games turn out badly.
If I get the bug for those Maxwells because they seem to be going up well, but in the end I wait because the prices of the graphics cards are getting to unseen prices, that's why lately I think more about spending.
Best regards
Best regards also to Jotole, Alcor, Pepillo and all of you who haven't been seen for a whileA pleasure for me too to read you all again…..It's clear that although we are in other pursuits, the goat pulls the cart...............xD. And we all keep an eye on the releases of components. Little time to participate in the forums, but well we continue to maintain the hobby/perdition for Hardware......:wall:
Regarding the topic that concerns us, in a way I get the impression that AMD wants to but can't. And it's a shame, because in the end the ones who lose out are the users, because Nvidia doesn't have a competitor that seriously challenges it, and that's noticeable in their prices.
For my part, I'm skipping this generation, my trio of Titans moves everything more than enough at the resolution I'm moving in now. So next year we'll see if there's movement in GPUs.
Greetings to all......!!!
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It is also the first time that it dares to make such a massive and expensive chip, NVIDIA is indeed accustomed to these designs, although it has broken its own records on die size with the GM200 (the first time it exceeds 600 mm2).AMD I think that before Fiji, it had never exceeded 500 mmº2, in fact I would swear that the maximum size reached was more like 450 mm2.
In any case, the performance of the Fury is NOT the problem, that it performs less than the GTX 980 Ti or has more consumption, neither. The problem is the damn price.Does anyone doubt that I would talk differently about this card if it came out at the price of a GTX 980 or for 550-600€? If you don't reach it, offer what the rival doesn't have, and in this case it would be a card superior to the GTX 980 for a little more, even if we counted OCs it would be attractive, anyway.
There are people who pretend to make it seem like the "enormous cost" of the integrated RL or of the HBM means that AMD "can't" lower prices. NONSENSE. That RL isn't worth even $30 to the manufacturer, another thing is that they screw you over by selling it very expensive in stores because it's an "elite" product (read, they take advantage of the customer with very wide commercial margins).HBM memories will also be more expensive, but memories have always been the second most costly element in manufacturing a graphics card. GPUs are the most expensive, and normally they don't even reach $100 in price for the manufacturer of the graphics card on the part of NVIDIA/AMD. And I'm only talking about TOP GPUs.
Memories usually hover around 40-60$. So no, prices can be lowered, and in fact for its survival, AMD MUST lower them. Also in the 300 range. -
Un placer también para mí volver a leeros a todos…..Esta claro que aunque estemos en otros quehaceres, la cabra tira al monte...............xD. Y todos seguimos con el rabillo del ojo las salidas de componentes. Poco tiempo para participar en los foros, pero bueno seguimos manteniendo la afición/perdición por el Hardware......:wall:
Respecto al tema que nos ocupa, en cierto modo me da la impresión de que AMD es un quiero y no puedo. Y es una pena, porque al final los que salimos perdiendo somos los usuarios, porque Nvidia no tiene una competencia que le plante cara seriamente, y eso se nota en sus precios.
Yo por lo pronto esta generación me la salto, mi trio de Titanes mueve todo mas que de sobra a la resolución que me muevo ahora. Así que el año que viene veremos si hay movimiento en gpu´s.
Saludos a todos......!!!
Yo creo que con AMD es la gente misma la que se monta sus castillos de humo, claro luego ese humo se evapora y llegan las decepciones, aunque algunos tambien se lo montan con Nvidia.
En AMD se estan tomando muy malas decisiones, si ya tenian graficas mas caras de fabricar debian haber ido a GCN 1.2 y tratar de abaratar costes, incluso ni preocuparse por hacer Fury lo que debian es sacar una gama de 350€ hacia abajo que al final son las que mas se venden, debian hacer lo que hicieron con la serie 4000 y 5000 sacar tarjetas que no sean muy caras de fabricar y poder poner buenos precios.
Aunque claro esta vez Nvidia no necesita graficas como la 280 de 512bits, Nvidia con kepler y despues con Maxwel le ha salido todo redondo en cuanto a negocio, lo malo que ese negocio se lo pagamos nosotros comprando mas caro y sacando con cuentagotas.
Ahora dicen que Nvidia bajo de precio la 980Ti por la salida de la Fury y es otra mentira, Nvidia es muy duro para bajar precio, lo que ocurre es que ahora se estan estabilizando de precio, Nvidia recomienda 650$ y de eso no se mueve, lo que ahora las tiendas ya no abusan o los distribuidores, si ahora les va entrando stock facil que les entre menos hinchado de precio, al principio habia pocas y las hinchan de precio.
Un saludo Jotole, yo tampoco cambio hasta que no vea una 980ti a menos de 500€, si tarda mucho quiza ya me espero a lo proximo, no pienso colaborar con las subidas de precio.
Seguramente esto es como siempre ese 50% al final será 30% pero me compensa bastante y si la titan suma otro 20% bienvenida sea al ser gamas continuas y mismo tipo de memoria lo veo posible cada uno tiene su estilo de juego los 30fps siempre fue mi limite y siempre ultra y sin filtros en 4K.
Ahora el problema que veo que se puede llegar a dar con la Fury es al tener diferente tipo de memoria no se lleve bien con las otras AMD en W10.
Sera interesante ver cuando salga W10 si ELP3 al tener una gran variedad de gráficas se anima a testear como funcionan las compatibilidades de gráficas de misma generación, mezclar gráficas de diferente generación incluso Amd-Nvidia o simplemente demostrar que al final no funciona todo lo que se dijo.
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Si ELP3 siempre nos informa, se le agradece pues siempre lo mejor es la informacion que te da la gente conocida, que te da impresiones de primera mano que eso vale mucho, aunque nos haga sentir envidia.
Luego los 30 fps me dan repelus y mas en ciertos juegos que se nota mucho tener 60 fps, ojala Dx12 y W10 sea como prometen, pero hasta que no lo vea o me lo cuente alguien de confianza seguire dudándolo.
saludos
Hombre yo me esperaba mas, fíjate que AMD de verdad a hecho muy poco cuanto mejorar su arquitectura, casi toda mejora del TDP es consecuencia del HBM, el GCN sigue siendo un volcán a la hora de correr fuerte. Ese mismo chip no pudiera salir tal como esta, usando GDDR5. AMD necesita parar y pensar muchas cosas, se le va acabando la pólvora, el tiempo se acorta y creo que ese fue el ultimo comodín dellos. Es posible vemos las cotas de AMD bajar a casi nada en los próximos meses. OJO!
Saludo..
Pues esperemos que eso no ocurra y AMD tenga su parte de pastel por que sino nos van a crujir con precios y rendimientos de risa.
Ojala puedan fabricar pronto en un proceso inferior y puedan tomar mejores decisiones, por el bien de todos los compradores, al final lo que nos interesa es comprar mejor y mas barato aunque haya que discutir.
saludos
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Well, it seems that the problem of the poor performance of the fury X is as it has been said in the drivers, the 15.15 seem to come from the ass:
Catalyst 14.12
Very interesting really, and in nvidia the 352.90 without the bug fix for kepler XD.
It is a good cucumber for its price and its characteristics, it is a shame that elp3 no longer has it, fuck you all XDDDD.
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Well, it seems that the problem of poor performance of the fury X is as has been said in the drivers, the 15.15 seem to come from nowhere and for proof a button XD:
Catalyst 14.12
Really very interesting, and on nvidia the 352.90 without the bug fix for kepler XD.
It's a good cucumber for its price and its characteristics, it's a shame that elp3 doesn't have it anymore, damn it all XDDDD.
You'll have to forgive me, but I think that review is not correct.
You can't put drivers that don't recognize a graphics card.
From 15.5 onwards, and then the beta 15.6 are the ones for fury.
Drivers from more than half a year ago wouldn't work for it, and besides, they wouldn't work for modern games either.
Don't get your hopes up.
99% of the reviews and owners of the same one agree.
Decepción.No there is no more.
Not even those 1185MHZ of OC are totally believable. One thing is to pass a test by a hair's breadth and full of artifacts, and another thing is to be "fairly" stable. That is, that at least they all hold up to the bench.
Another thing that 99% agree on is that for stability, 75MHZ. There is no more.
In fact, in the reference points that AMD gave to the reviewers, it said that OC up to 1100MHZ.Es that is, only 50 MHz.
There will always be some review that goes against the norm. The € rule and the criticisms, which are fair, have done damage..we have to try to cover it up.
But it's too late, the damage is done and it's difficult to correct it.
Another thing to consider is that it only has 64 ROPs, the same as the 980. Clearly insufficient for the potential of the chip and the bandwidth. A lot of collar for no dog..and that can't be fixed with drivers.
It may have a nice bottleneck in hardware.Regards.
