Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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Hello fellow users.
First of all, congratulations to ELP3 for your efforts in sharing your feelings and experiences with all of us. What a pass of TITAN they are walking beasts….....
This is how nice it is to play in surround on the themes, like Crysis and tomb raider.... :wall:
I am very happy that you have once again beaten another record in 3DMARK, as last year you achieved it with our beloved 4 way 680.Although I do not post much due to lack of time, I try to follow you by reading all your posts...........
A hug.
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Elp3 tests a downsampling of 2800x1700. You can do that without any problems, I have the same monitor as you, and I can't go higher
More than a problem with the monitor, it will be a problem with the standards to be met for each resolution in terms of available bandwidth for video output, even if this is completely fictional. Let me explain:
It is supposed that if you activate screen scaling by GPU, and not by the screen itself, there is not really a change in resolution compared to the native one of the same, and therefore there is no additional requirement against the screen.
What may be different is the synchronization and that the resolutions internally the system evaluates if they can or cannot be used by bandwidth (MHz), depending on how that screen is connected. Resolutions like 4K make a Dual link DVI fall short, and although it is not a real limitation of the screen or the communication with it, since it continues to work at the native resolution (the downsampling occurs in the graphics, not in the screen, and everything that is sent to it is in native resolution).
But anyway, the system continues with its thing even if the scaling is done in the gpu, and it may "not be able" to use certain resolutions for wiring issues, although technically it is not using that higher resolution (what can change is the way how the information is sent to the screen, which can cause some of the problems when using certain types of screens and wiring). I suppose that using a displayport or something like that can allow better reach of 4K.
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More than a monitor problem, it will be a problem of the standards to be met for each resolution in terms of available bandwidth for video output, even if it is totally fictional. Let me explain:
It is supposed that if you activate screen scaling by GPU, and not by the screen itself, there is really no change in resolution compared to the native one of the same, and therefore there is no additional requirement against the screen.
What may be different is the synchronization and that the resolutions internally the system evaluates if they can or cannot be used by bandwidth (MHz), depending on how that screen is connected. Resolutions like 4K make a Dual link DVI fall short, and although it is not a real limitation of the screen or the communication with it, since it continues to work at the native resolution (the downsampling occurs in the graphics, not in the screen, and everything that is sent to it is in native resolution).
But anyway, the system continues with its thing even if the scaling is done in the gpu, and it may "not be able" to use certain resolutions for wiring issues, although technically it is not using that higher resolution (what can change is the way how the information is sent to the screen, which can cause some of the problems when using certain types of screens and wiring). I suppose that using a displayport or something like that can allow better reach of 4K.
Indeed I think that's where the bullets are going. DVI doesn't give much more... anyway, with 2560X1600p and being able to add the amount of MSAA.SSAA etc.. that games support, Max Payne 3, with 8xMSAA at 1600p is truly spectacular as it is seen.. downsampling is not exactly something that keeps me awake at night..;)
salu2.
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Indeed I think that's where it's headed. DVI can't do much more... anyway, with 2560X1600p and being able to add the amount of MSAA.SSAA etc.. that games support, Max Payne 3, with 8xMSAA at 1600p is truly spectacular as it looks.. downsampling isn't exactly something that keeps me up at night..;)
salu2.
I imagine that yes, there must be quite a difference between a native resolution at 1600p on an IPS monitor versus downsampling on a 1080p monitor or TV I suppose because of the pixel size, I got 2160p on 2 TVs via DVI-HDMI but I never achieved good quality like via VGA and the latest generation games are at 10 fps performance with the GTX 580 at that resolution.
Anyway, this downsampling thing is amazing I don't want to take the 1440p resolution away anymore.
I would have liked to be able to get an impression of your Titans at that resolution although from what I read the one that was tested on a 4k TV couldn't get the Titan SLi to work.-
Salu2.
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The following BIOS seems to fix the throttling issues: Nvidia GeForce GTX TITAN Owners' club
And for those who want to tinker with the bios, they have updated the Kepler BIOS Tweaker utility and now it supports the Titan bios: http://www.technic3d.com/download/overclocking-und-monitoring-tools/532-kepler-bios-tweaker-v1.25.htm
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Although I solve it, I don't see clearly the need to update the bios for something that is a problem with the drivers. In forums it has already been confirmed that it also happens with many 680s, but only with the latest WHQL and Beta drivers, with the previous ones it didn't happen. The problem is that the previous ones don't work for the Titans, but I will wait if they solve it via drivers before touching the bios.
Greetings
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Although I fix it, I don't see it clear to have to update the bios for something that is a problem of drivers. In forums it has already been confirmed that it also happens with many 680s, but only with the latest WHQL and Beta drivers, with the previous ones it didn't happen. The problem is that the previous ones don't work for the Titans, but I'm going to wait if they fix it via drivers before touching the bios.
Regards
As the drivers are being updated, even in nvidia and kepler despite what some say, the performance is increasing in the same games or using the gpu more fully.
As the performance is being squeezed more, the consumption in a given graphic is increasing, and in the case of very demanding games they can make the frequencies dance due to the TDP limit. In the same way that this same greater optimization of the drivers makes that a frequency with OC "stable" with one version is no longer stable with a more modern one. But not because the driver is more unstable, but because by using the gpu more fully it goes better against its limit, evidencing OCs that are very close to the limit. And also of course making the frequencies dance due to the TDP.
It's that simple, and yes, the BIOS of course paints a lot, since the information of the frequency and voltage planner basically dictates the BIOS, and with that data the drivers manage. Of course a BIOS can make frequencies "dance" (or not). Starting because even the standard TDP is defined there, the "power target", and in a BIOS the 100% applied doesn't have to be exactly the same 100% of a later revision.
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The following BIOS seems to solve the throttling problems: Nvidia GeForce GTX TITAN Owners' club
And for those who want to tinker with the bios, they have updated the Kepler BIOS Tweaker utility and now it supports the Titan bios: Kepler BIOS Tweaker v1.25 | Download | Technic3D
As the drivers are being updated, even in nvidia and kepler, despite what some say, performance is increasing in the same games or by using the gpu more fully.
As performance is squeezed more, consumption increases in a given graphics card, and in the case of very demanding games, frequencies can fluctuate due to the TDP limit. In the same way, this same optimization of the drivers means that a frequency with OC that was "stable" with one version may no longer be stable with a more modern one. But not because the driver is more unstable, but because by using the gpu more fully, it goes better against its limit, evidencing OCs that are very close to the limit. And also of course causing frequency fluctuations due to TDP.
It's that simple, and yes, bioses of course matter a lot, since the information of the frequency and voltage scheduler is basically dictated by the bios, and with that data the drivers manage. Of course a bios can make frequencies "dance" (or not). Starting because even the standard TDP is defined there, the "power target", and in a bios the 100% applied does not have to be exactly the same 100% of a later revision.
I don't own a Titan yet, I hope to join the Titamaniaco club soon….......xD. But according to what I've read from that thread where they link to the end, those bios are personalized bios, made by users. That basically increase the voltage and turbo frequency. Some work well and others don't
I think it's too early to start looking for some kind of solution, in personalized bios, with the risk that flashing a gpu bios entails, I certainly think like Pepillo, having one of these missiles in your hands, "risking it" on a personalized bios when the card has just been released, is a bit "crazy"…. I for one would wait quietly for the manufacturers to release bioses if it's a problem with them, or directly drivers, since there hasn't been anything since the last official ones...
Best regards...
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Inno 3D has released its titan with R.L hybrid aceelero, any R.L lover has to like it jajajja…......
Inno3D Intros GeForce GTX Titan with Hybrid iChill Cooling Solution | VideoCardz.com
Saludos.
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As ELP3 mentioned the other day that these cards have a smoothness like never before, I found this article that is very interesting where it informs us that we no longer only have to look at fps, although I always looked at the minimums, from now on we will also have to look at the response time and that is where the Titan has its strong point.
NVIDIA GTX TITAN vs. SLI & Crossfire
Salu2.-
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Inno 3D a sacado su titan con R.L hybrid aceelero, a todo amante de la R.L le tiene que gustar jajajja…......
Inno3D Intros GeForce GTX Titan with Hybrid iChill Cooling Solution | VideoCardz.com
Saludos.
Si lo que ese disipador es un artic cooling,se vende por separado tambien,tambien creo que EK ya ha sacado algun bloque para las Titan,aqui se ven algunos.
EK pasa por agua la GeForce GTX Titan | El Chapuzas Informático
Tambien EVGA tiene un modelo con bloque para RL,lo unico que va a salir caro meter bloques a esas tarjetas.
EVGA | Articles | EVGA GeForce GTX Titan
deben costar bastante esas EVGA.
Saludos
Según como comentaba ELP3 el otro día que estas tarjetas tienen una suavidad como nunca antes encontré este articulo que es muy interesante donde nos informa que ya no solamente hay que mirar los fps, aunque yo siempre me fije en los mínimos a partir de ahora también abra que mirar el tiempo de respuesta y ahí es donde la Titan tiene su punto fuerte.
NVIDIA GTX TITAN vs. SLI & Crossfire
Salu2.-.
Si eso ya lo van haciendo varias web,yo siempre me he guiado por la sensacion al jugar,con las 480 a veces veia 45 fps pero corria suave,en otras tarjetas se nota mas si baja,tambien la 8800 a mi me dio siempre mejor sensacion que la 9800,aun rindiendo menos pues era una 8800 GTs frente a la 9800GTx,me duro poco esa ultima por que no me parecia que fuera tan bien como la otra,aunque habia juegos donde la 9800GTx solia ir muy bien como COD4,pero por ejemplo NFS MW el antiguo me parecia ir bastante mejor con la 8800,pero es bueno que segun avanzamos se cuide la jugabilidad,por eso yo ya sabia que el GK110 iria mejor que el GK104 aunque estas si se comparan con la anterior generacion no queden nada mal.
saludos
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Those response times are comparing a single titan against sli that's why I think there's such a difference. When I disassembled the sli and I was left with just a graphics card, the games loaded more quickly.Un saludo
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If that heatsink is an artic cooling, it is sold separately too, I also think that EK has already released some block for the Titans, here you can see some.
EK water cools the GeForce GTX Titan | El Chapuzas Informático
Also EVGA has a model with a block for RL, the only thing that is going to be expensive is putting blocks on those cards.
EVGA | Articles | EVGA GeForce GTX Titan
those EVGA must cost quite a bit.
Regards
I did not know that it was sold separately… indeed EK has already released it, look at a video where we can see the TITANs uncovered....
EVGA blocks are usually sold already assembled??? as far as I know they do not have the option to assemble to taste like EK ….
Regards.
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EVGA has already shown the frequencies of the Titan Hydrocopper. Base Clock: 928 MHz
Boost Clock: 980 MHz. Now we just have to wait to know its price and if it will have better overclocking than the passive ones with a higher TDP margin. A mystery. -
@josele.:
Those response times are comparing a single Titan against an SLI, that's why I think there's such a difference. When I disassembled the SLI and was left with just a graphics card, the games loaded more quickly.
Best regards
Josele, that response time is not from loading games, there they refer to how long the card takes to display the processed frame.
The graphics card is a real beast, let's put it that way....
It would have been good to see how long it takes for 2 to perform that process, to see if it's bigger or smaller. But anyway, the advantage it takes over the others is by a landslide.
That's what many of us have always commented about the smoothness that is perceived when playing with Nvidia Vs AMD.
Cheers...
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I didn't know it was sold separately... indeed EK has already released it, look at a video where we can see the TITAN exposed....
Are EVGA blocks usually sold already assembled??? As far as I know it doesn't have the option to assemble to your liking like EK...
Best regards.
The video is very good, EVGA does sell them assembled but with Hydro Copper, it's a special model and I suppose it will be expensive, here's the sample
EVGA Signature and HydroCopper Series GeForce GTX Titan GPUs Get SuperClocked
shows the normal and Hydro Copper, I don't know if they will be seen here in Spain and I suppose it will be cheaper to put the EK, besides I think it's possible that another model will come out with RL Block or maybe an Artic Hydro one of those, from another brand that is easy to see more here.
best regards
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If the video is very good, EVGA sells them mounted but with the hydro copper, it is a special model and I suppose it will be expensive, here is the sample
EVGA Signature and HydroCopper Series GeForce GTX Titan GPUs Get SuperClocked
shows the normal and the Hydro Copper, I don't know if they will be seen here in Spain and I suppose it will be cheaper to put the EK, besides I think it's possible that another model will come out with RL Block or maybe an Artic Hydro one of those, from another brand that is easy to see more here.
regards
No one has dared to soak them yet….....? Will I be the first?............xD.
Those graphics come out very expensive just for having the EVGA block, and I don't think they have better performance than one with an EK block, or any other brand...
Salu2..
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If ELP3 thinks it's okay, so as not to open another thread, I'll paste here an excerpt of my first impressions with the Titan:
It's a Zotac, acquired from a review, and it has arrived flawless:
To highlight of this brand, its extended warranty by registering it on their website, and including, in addition to drivers and a pack of applications, the three Assassin's Creed games, something is something. The photos don't do it justice, in person its quality and weight are impressive. And mounted on the computer, with the side illuminated, it's a beauty.
The first impression has been one of absolute surprise. My last graphics cards have been an SLI of GTX580, another SLI of 480, a GTX280, a GTX295, an ATI 3870 X2 …....... all very powerful in their time, very hot and very noisy. This one is a tomb with the fan on auto, I've discovered the other fans of my PC that went unnoticed
Temperature after half an hour on Windows, 28º:
I'm not going to bore you by putting dozens of benchmarks, what I can tell you is that this beast surpasses an SLI of GTX580, look at the difference in the last 3dMark:
It's not like that in everything, the more modern the game or benchmark, the more difference there is, but with older ones it is reduced or nullified. What is clear is that it performs as well as or better than an SLI of GTX580, in a single card mono GPU, with half the consumption, much less noise, and without the problems associated with SLI. The noise thing, really, it's notable what they have achieved if you leave the fan on auto.
I've been testing the overclocking a bit. At the first attempt, it has passed a whole battery of benchmarks in these conditions:
Here I have encountered the same problem as ELP3. By default, my card sets the GPU to 1.006 with Boost in applications that load it, and there it stays. When you go up, as in this case, it reaches 1.150, but it doesn't stay, but rather it oscillates depending on the game or benchmark, 1.124, 1.137, 1.150. In principle it is a driver failure, it does it with the latest ones, both official and beta, and it's not a problem of this card since those of the 680 series are also affected by previous drivers. It seems that there is an unofficial bios that solves it, but I'm not about to flash this card, I prefer to wait if they fix it. That said, even with that inconvenience, it scales very well when you apply overclocking, there is potential. This weekend, we'll give it "a go."
Another thing I've tried is the "overclocking" of the monitor. Although it's not specific to the Titans, I think others will be able to do it, if it has been introduced with them. It consists of exceeding 60Hz, to have more fluidity in games with vSync activated. And it works. But it depends on the monitor, many don't give anything or very little, like the DELLs, and others, like certain LG panels, I've read that they reach up to 120Hz. My HP2475 has stayed at 70 Hz, well, 10 fps more with vertical synchronization activated, welcome:
I didn't know whether to put here other sensations that, being subjective, are very difficult to demonstrate: The smoothness that gives a mono - GPU as powerful as this compared to the dual solutions I'm used to, playing is a joy. But precisely today I've read the magnificent review that Patagonico has put, which graphically explains why sometimes we see greater fluidity with fewer frames:
You can observe how stable this Titan is (the red line in the graphs) compared to the dual solutions from both AMD and nVidia, the already famous "Microshuttering". But that's not all, apparently, and I didn't know it, there's also a factor that gets much worse in multi-GPU solutions, and it's the response time, which can introduce very high lag in certain games:
In summary, the sensations are very, very positive. A pity its price and its low availability.
Greetings to all
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Good analysis, and the fluency charts are very interesting because you can clearly see the reason for that smoothness that is mentioned. Also the latency time is incredible… well, a great card, enjoy it.
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Nobody has dared to watercool them yet….....? Will I be the first?............xD.
Those graphics cards are very expensive just for carrying the EVGA block, and I don't think they have better performance than one with an EK block, or any other brand...
Regards..
Well, it seems that no one here has decided to watercool it, it's logical because it's expensive, I personally wouldn't touch that card, it has good cooling, they are silent and they are expensive and the RL would make them more expensive, I suppose the EK one will get the same temperature as the other and will be cheaper but I don't know if it's worth it because the OC I don't think it will be better.
regards
