X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000

[rul3s]

Hello fellow users!
I've been offered the chance to sell my current socket at a good price and I don't want to let it go as I'm really interested in Ryzen.
I know that the Ryzen 3000 series was announced yesterday, but considering the usual delays, I imagine they won't be available until the end of the year, so for now I'll be switching platforms with a Ryzen 5 2600, which is very well priced and compared to my 4790k it will maintain gaming performance and improve in multi-tasking, and in the future I'll sell this 2600 and move to a 3000 (Blessed be AMD's AM4 platform that allows us to do this.

Well, for now I have everything chosen except the motherboard, details:

• CPU: Ryzen 5 2600 (Not the X as it's a +7% performance for a +30% price) 170€
• RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3000 Mhz (PC4-24000) CL15 LED RGB (suggestions welcome) 150€

MOTHERBOARD: I'm torn between these two, but I welcome all kinds of advice and suggestions

• Asus TUF X470-Plus Gaming 147€
• MSI X470 Gaming Plus 140€ / Gaming Pro 155€
• Asrock x470 Master SLI 147€

It's also important to consider the brand's response to new BIOS and especially that it has what's needed to support Ryzen 3000 well, as soon as it's released I'll sell the 2600 and buy a 3600 or 3700.

Make your bets, folks!

[_Neptunno_]

Great micro the 4790K!!, for me the best I've had in my life(and I've had many xD). This micro along with the Q6600 and the i7 920, are the most "delicious" in terms of multitasking performance/versatility of those that have passed through my hands. I'm more of an AMD fan, my first processor paid for with my own money was a k7 2800+ and it made me value this brand a lot (price/performance), but from 2008 until last year I switched to Intel because I saw that they were doing a good job and because I was lucky to get cheap micros in the second-hand market. A few months ago I sold my beloved 4790k, out of curiosity and wanting to try a Ryzen and return to AMD (although a few months ago I acquired a second-hand FX 8xxx)... I wanted to tinker and I had the opportunity to get a micro+motherboard+memory for a decent price. I got close to 300€ for the other platform and the new one cost me just over 400€. I got the R5 2600X, it's fantastic, but I must say that in games I notice very little improvement or sometimes none compared to the I7. It's also true that it depends a lot on the games... but well. In multitasking it is noticeable, and I wanted to have 12 threads, accustomed to 8 threads for 7-8 years. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the change, but don't take "brutal" expectations of difference. The only thing is that you will be able to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 and maybe it will be a great extra incentive Regarding the motherboard, I like MSI quite a lot: The last two that I've spent money on were a "Z97-Gaming-7" (an amazing motherboard) and now I have a "B450-GAMING-PLUS". If you're going to do OC, which I suppose you are, look at how many of those 3 have more power phases. I'm a bit disconnected from that but I have the impression that any of the 3 will turn out to be good. My preference would be MSI, ASUS and last Asrock. Regarding memory, I think a good companion from canarias who has tested various memories/config and with his R5 1600 and R5 2600 jejeje. Greetings!!

[rul3s]

@_neptunno_ said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

Great micro the 4790K!!, for me the best I've had in my life(and I've had many xD). This micro along with the Q6600 and the i7 920, are the most "delicious" in terms of multitasking performance/versatility that have passed through my hands.

I'm more of an AMD fan, my first processor paid for with my own money was a k7 2800+ and it made me value this brand a lot (price/performance), but from 2008 until last year I switched to Intel because I saw that they were doing a good job and because I was lucky to get cheap micros in the second-hand market.

A few months ago I sold my beloved 4790k, out of curiosity and wanting to try a Ryzen and return to AMD (although a few months ago I acquired a second-hand FX 8xxx)... I wanted to tinker and I had the opportunity to get micro+motherboard+memory for a decent price. I got close to 300€ for the other platform and the new one cost me just over 400€.
I got the R5 2600X, it's fantastic, but I must say that in games I notice very little improvement or sometimes none compared to the i7. It's also true that it depends a lot on the games... but well.
In multitasking it's noticeable, and I wanted to have 12 threads, accustomed to 8 threads for 7-8 years.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the change, but don't have "brutal" expectations of difference. The only thing is that you will be able to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 and maybe that will be a great extra incentive

Regarding the motherboard, I like MSI quite a lot: The last two that I spent money on were a "Z97-Gaming-7" (an amazing motherboard) and now I have a "B450-GAMING-PLUS".

If you're going to do OC, which I suppose you are, look at how many of those 3 have more power phases. I'm a bit disconnected from that but I have the impression that any of the 3 will turn out to be good. My preference would be MSI, ASUS and last Asrock.

Regarding memory, I think a good friend from canarias who has tested various memories/configs with his R5 1600 and R5 2600 jejeje, can help you.

Greetings!!

Thanks @_Neptunno_, I've made up my mind that in gaming I'm not going to gain ANYTHING by switching to the 2600, so if I finally gain something (in games that make good use of the 6 cores) then it will be welcome.
What I don't want is for when the Ryzen 3000 come out I can't sell my 4790k at a good price, and that's why I propose the move, and to notice the real improvement when I put the Ryzen 3000, which by then selling a socket 1150 pack will be much more difficult.

As a curiosity, my 4790k was on a Z97X Gaming 5, and the motherboard didn't fully convince me, it did many illogical things, so I don't want to repeat with Gigabyte.

Best regards!

[whoololon]

@rul3s Don't go crazy with the motherboard.

My initial suggestion would be that you go for the high-end range, because they are the ones that are least likely to forget to update support; but since one cannot foresee possible shenanigans of incompatibilities with the next generation of processors in certain models (which we are back to), I would get a normal B450 that you won't mind getting rid of if for the next generation you get a frog in your throat.

As for the memory, make sure they are B-Die to not waste money on a Hynix.

All this, of course, if you really think the change of platform is worth it now knowing that you are doing it with a view to processors that are only known to not be coming out this year.

Considering that the gain you will have in games will be minimal, aren't you letting yourself be carried away by the hype of the new AMD?

Think about it.

[rul3s]

@whoololon said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

@rul3s Don't go crazy with the motherboard.

My initial suggestion would be that you go for the high-end range, because they are the ones that are least likely to be forgotten when it comes to updating support; but since one cannot predict possible shenanigans of incompatibilities with the next generation of processors in certain models (which we are back to), I would get a normal B450 that you won't mind getting rid of if for the next generation you get a frog in your throat.

As for the memory, make sure they are B-Die to not waste money on a Hynix.

All this, of course, if it really is worth the change of platform now knowing that you are doing it with a view to processors of which the only thing known is that they won't come out this year.

Considering that the gain you will have in games will be minimal, aren't you being carried away by the hype of the new AMD?

Think about it.

The problem is that now I have a sale of my platform that is quite well paid, we are talking about 340€ for the 4790k + Z97X + 16GB.
On the other hand, the R5 2600 + X470 + 16GB come out to about 460€, so we are talking about making a platform upgrade, with its warranty, maintaining performance in games, but improving in multitasking by approx. +50%, for 120€.
And later on, selling the 2600 and getting a 3600X would mean about 150€ (selling for 100€, buying for 250€) more investment approx., so in the end I will have migrated from platform for less than 300€, I see it as a good move.

Regarding the release date, it has already been read in many places that it will be for Q2 of 2019, be that as it may, it will be before the end of the year for sure.

And finally, about the memory, in these Ryzen 2XXX they are not so picky with the memory, it is clear that the best are the B-Die, but pay for them, the cheapest go to 250€. There are many others available, that work well too.

And finally, I am a little tired of intel and want to change already jejeje.

[_Neptunno_]

Considering that I made the same change, but more than six months ago, and we have practically invested the same amount of money in that change, it is not a bad option.
Moreover, it is still quite profitable because it will be increasingly difficult to place a 4th generation i7 at a decent price.

It is clear, these changes are for people who like to tinker, or who want to try a new platform. For a normal user, that platform can last several more years very comfortably.

This is as always, there is a point at which you either sell what you have to try to get an acceptable amount of money, or you keep it until it passes away.
From my point of view, in these cases any option is valid. I am really happy, but if I had not caught me single and happy with life my 4790k would have been with me for at least 1 or 2 more years

Regards!!

P.D: note that the worst of all is the price of DDR4, which is what has the most impact on the final price... whether you buy Intel or AMD (and from the low to the high range).
For me it was what made me most hesitant to change, and initially I opted for 8GB, but in the end I put 16GB so as not to run short in a short time.

[whoololon]

@rul3s Then I would look at the X470 Taichi from Asrock or the X470 Aorus from Gigabyte.

As for the memory, the fact that it's made by Samsung is not a snobbery or a whim, it's because you make sure that they will work at the frequency they come with, yes or yes (while a Hynix at 3000 may have to be set to 2933), and from there you can raise the B-Die to what they give, which doesn't happen with the others.

They won't be as damn as the first ones, but they are still very delicate with the RAM issue. If you're not going to get a B-Die, make sure at least that they are on the QVL of the motherboard you choose.

:nerd:

[rul3s]

@whoololon said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

@rul3s Then I would look at the Asrock X470 Taichi or the Gigabyte X470 Aorus.

As for the memory, the fact that it's made by Samsung is not a snobbery or a whim, it's that you make sure they will work at the frequency they come with yes or yes (while a Hynix at 3000 you may have to set it to 2933), and from there you can raise the B-Die to whatever they give, which doesn't happen with the others.

They won't be as damn good as the first ones, but they are still very delicate with the RAM issue. If you're not going to get a B-Die, make sure at least that they are on the QVL of the motherboard you choose.

:nerd:

The issue, more than whether they are Samsung or not, is that Ryzen doesn't have a 3000 multiplier, so even if they are Samsung B-Die they wouldn't work at this speed, but at 2933 or @3200.
Actually I've looked a bit and in some places they say it's better to have 2933@CL15 than 3200@CL16, although in the same way I think that with a little OC you could also set them to 3200 by raising the CL15 to CL16.

And about the motherboard, it's not that I don't want to listen to you, but it's a +90€ on the motherboard and it doesn't fit my budget anymore.

I've been googling a lot and I read a lot of people with these RAMs working perfectly on Ryzen at 2933 and fine.
And about the motherboards, then I read that the Asus TUFs are motherboards aimed at longevity, but not very far in terms of features, and finally the Astock Master has some lousy VRMs, so the final choice will be the MSI Gaming Plus, the only difference with the PRO is the backplate, that's it!

[_Neptunno_]

@rul3s you will see how you will look great with that MSI hehe At least I hope we both have luck

Greetings!!

[rul3s]

@_neptunno_ said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

@rul3s you'll see how that MSI suits you like a glove jejeje At least I hope we both get lucky

Saludos!!

What motherboard and RAM did you get yourself @_Neptunno_??

[_Neptunno_]

@rul3s said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

@_neptunno_ said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

@rul3s you'll see how you'll look great with that MSI hehe At least I hope we both have luck

Greetings!!

What motherboard and RAM did you get yourself @_Neptunno_??

Well, in the end when I ordered the computer, I had already bought the car, oh well :( I know I was making the budget before but it's true that I didn't place the order until after the holidays.

This is what I bought in mid-August, I received:

PROCESSOR AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 4.2 GHZ: 181.74€
RAM MEMORY G.KILL RIPJAWS V RED 1.0 DDR4 3000 2X8GB: 156.20€
MOTHERBOARD MSI B450 GAMING PLUS: 82.56€

In total, they cost me around 419€, so subtracting what they gave me for the other equipment, I spent around 140€, which I don't think is bad for a "pleasure" and maybe I'll be tempted to look at a Ryzen 3000... which is what made me stay with a R5 and not a R7 2700

To be honest, I'm not sure if the memory is the best for Ryzen, I don't remember if I bought it for something specific or for the price.

Greetings!!

[rul3s]

Well, today I just placed the order coinciding that two offers have come out that made me not think about it much.

In the end I got the following:

• Ryzen 5 2600 - 163€ with promo The division 2
• Gigabyte x470 Aorus Ultra Gaming - Offer at 129€ (PVP 150€)
• KFA2 HOF DDR4 4000 CL19 16GB (2x8) B-Die - Great deal at 130€ (PVP 240€)

All ordered, hopefully it will arrive tomorrow!

@_Neptunno_ @whoololon

[whoololon]

What envy I have of you, bastard.

Record the unboxing (there is a lot of hype) and keep us informed with performance and OC topics.

By the way, what cooler are you going to put on that 2600?

[rul3s]

@whoololon said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

What envy I have of you, damn it.

Record the unboxing (there's a lot of hype) and keep us informed with performance and OC topics.

By the way, what cooler are you going to put on that 2600?

I'll stick with my Noctua NHU12, which, by the way, the after-sales service from Noctua is fantastic.
I sent them a message the other day saying I needed the mounts for AM4, since my Noctua is already 8 years old, and they sent them to me totally free of charge... Incredible!

[Obione]

Oops, I'm late, I would have recommended the B450 Pro Carbon

Yes, Noctua does it well, it's their policy. Thermalright also does it officially with AM4, they even sent me the clip kit for free.

[garfield]

Very different from those of Scithe. I have two Ninja, a Rev.A and a B and they do not have supports for AM4. And I believe they would be more than capable of being able to dissipate them. A shame. They will die in the drawer.

[rul3s]

@garfield said in X470 motherboard for a Ryzen 2600 and in the future a Ryzen 3000:

Very different from those of Scithe. I have two Ninja, one Rev.A and one B and they do not have AM4 mounts. And I believe they would be more than capable of being able to dissipate them. A shame. They will die in the drawer

I have the exact same problem, at that time a friend got the Scyte Ninja v1, I got the Noctua NHU12.
Some time later when he renewed his PC the Scyte ninja was left in a drawer as we did not have support for the new sockets, despite using the same system as the new versions (read in forums) in customer service they told us that nanai, that neither for free nor paying would they send them to us.
I will never buy anything from Scythe again.

By the way, I already have all the material and I am doing tests, as soon as I have good conclusions I will tell you, for now, I leave you a FireStrike with the 2070:

• 4790K@4.6GHz vs 2600 Stock: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/5884919/spy/5830411